L’Europa ha bisogno di propri canali con il Cremlino
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L’Europa ha bisogno di propri canali con il Cremlino
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Opinion: With yet another in-person summit between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin in the works, the war in Ukraine is reaching a new inflection point. The Kremlin is also signalling that it is more willing to generate risks and costs for Europe now that the continent provides the main lifeline for Kyiv’s self-defence.
As Europe scrambles to deter Russian belligerence, there is one instrument glaringly absent from its toolkit: discreet channels of communication with the adversary.
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And yet, something tells me that Russia is happy with the orange orangutan as their intermediary man.
We have orban.
The Kremlin doesn’t care to talk to European leaders. It wants to be seen as a peer to a superpower and will only talk to the other superpower in the world.
You plan talk them to death ?
Kremlin needs to stop being a political power on the global stage.
We don’t need any channel to the Kremlin, we don’t need the Kremlin at all
Europe lacks the military capabilities to force itself into the conversation.
There’s not really a good reason for Russia to talk to Europe.
Why? There is nothing to talk about with Putin.
EC and Russia have reduced their trade so much that there are enough intermediaries to meet each other’s demands.
The EU cannot threaten Russia militarily.
Therefore, close political communication is no longer necessary.
The only remaining option is Russian tourism to Europe, but this will soon cease.
In a sense, they are two independent poles in different dimensions.
Europeans do not want Russians in their country.
Russians do not want Europeans in their country.
Everyone is happy.
Far-right and far-left parties not good enough as channels?
We shouldn’t be looking to cut Putin in. We should be looking to cut Trump out.
> Europe needs its own channels to the Kremlin
Europe had it, before Agent Orange monopolized the line.
Worse case scenario, we can torture Orbán.
Yes, Europe, please take the lead. Every single week it feels like we’re going in circles and nothing is getting done to end the war.
europe needs to forget about russia.
Gerhard Schröder?
It absolutely does, but that communication simply wouldn’t work if Europe plans just to communicate demands – putin would just put the phone aside and that’s it. If Europe wants to communicate with him they need to come with some sort of an offer which would be somehow acceptable. I’m not sure we politically can do that, hence there is no communication.
What does the kremlin care?
Yeah, probably burrowed under the Kremlin wall and filled with explosives….
No, it does not. This entire paradigm of Europe playing some masterful diplomacy to get what it wants has miserably failed, and in an era where rules matter less and less while hard power matters more and more, the EU needs its own hard power, including military. It needs to be able and willing to physically resist and push back invaders, and enforce its rules at the very least within Europe.
we have austria not part of nato and a hub for their ops and politicians and BFF
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria_and_Russian_intelligence](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria_and_Russian_intelligence)
Politicians with close ties or alleged links to Russia
* [**Karin Kneissl**](https://www.google.com/search?q=Karin+Kneissl&sca_esv=6e4820828e77e658&rlz=1C1GCEA_enDE1159DE1159&sxsrf=AE3TifOf1yqTlKmdgP44XAQUjg0GCwSqig%3A1760990691283&ei=45X2aPCLEaTJi-gP0-OskAM&ved=2ahUKEwj97vbKybOQAxUN2QIHHaX0IsAQgK4QegQIAxAB&uact=5&oq=austria+russia+politicians&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiGmF1c3RyaWEgcnVzc2lhIHBvbGl0aWNpYW5zMggQIRigARjDBEihB1CJBViJBXABeAKQAQCYAXqgAXqqAQMwLjG4AQPIAQD4AQGYAgOgAocBwgIEEAAYR8ICChAAGLADGNYEGEeYAwDiAwUSATEgQIgGAZAGApIHAzIuMaAH6QGyBwMwLjG4B33CBwUwLjIuMcgHBg&sclient=gws-wiz-serp&mstk=AUtExfAzzEtoEuzMfIGZKnK8E4-ptbBHUyS1YHszaEWxUTL1ijS7SDLLz2XSdo-4XDFbQmIGGX-jEoruA-T88gCg2ZBTV7iQasV6VyyPAd6YUXHnckjB-Uav0gxKSuhVoSG7iKaEhdAIHzNhhtwx8Y6M5katZ9Jmd0Kyp__0FN3otkQ26qWgRAY81TKuA2BAQeEV0GVBnTA3wMziBcGs9Hn_JXrGqdpy1sRKP-GWdXWpiobwqhlSx0p24KaMT5jN0kXPi7zvUN65DXwSbfGXxpALp8WFMSkE-RZaFQY_ly5mMFZlOQ&csui=3)**:** As former Austrian Foreign Minister, she has been described as having a close relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin and has advocated for closer ties between the two countries. She moved to Russia in 2023.
* [**Sebastian Kurz**](https://www.google.com/search?q=Sebastian+Kurz&sca_esv=6e4820828e77e658&rlz=1C1GCEA_enDE1159DE1159&sxsrf=AE3TifOf1yqTlKmdgP44XAQUjg0GCwSqig%3A1760990691283&ei=45X2aPCLEaTJi-gP0-OskAM&ved=2ahUKEwj97vbKybOQAxUN2QIHHaX0IsAQgK4QegQIAxAD&uact=5&oq=austria+russia+politicians&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiGmF1c3RyaWEgcnVzc2lhIHBvbGl0aWNpYW5zMggQIRigARjDBEihB1CJBViJBXABeAKQAQCYAXqgAXqqAQMwLjG4AQPIAQD4AQGYAgOgAocBwgIEEAAYR8ICChAAGLADGNYEGEeYAwDiAwUSATEgQIgGAZAGApIHAzIuMaAH6QGyBwMwLjG4B33CBwUwLjIuMcgHBg&sclient=gws-wiz-serp&mstk=AUtExfAzzEtoEuzMfIGZKnK8E4-ptbBHUyS1YHszaEWxUTL1ijS7SDLLz2XSdo-4XDFbQmIGGX-jEoruA-T88gCg2ZBTV7iQasV6VyyPAd6YUXHnckjB-Uav0gxKSuhVoSG7iKaEhdAIHzNhhtwx8Y6M5katZ9Jmd0Kyp__0FN3otkQ26qWgRAY81TKuA2BAQeEV0GVBnTA3wMziBcGs9Hn_JXrGqdpy1sRKP-GWdXWpiobwqhlSx0p24KaMT5jN0kXPi7zvUN65DXwSbfGXxpALp8WFMSkE-RZaFQY_ly5mMFZlOQ&csui=3)**:** As a former Chancellor of Austria, Kurz met with President Putin on several occasions during his term between 2017 and 2021.
* [**Egisto Ott**](https://www.google.com/search?q=Egisto+Ott&sca_esv=6e4820828e77e658&rlz=1C1GCEA_enDE1159DE1159&sxsrf=AE3TifOf1yqTlKmdgP44XAQUjg0GCwSqig%3A1760990691283&ei=45X2aPCLEaTJi-gP0-OskAM&ved=2ahUKEwj97vbKybOQAxUN2QIHHaX0IsAQgK4QegQIAxAF&uact=5&oq=austria+russia+politicians&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiGmF1c3RyaWEgcnVzc2lhIHBvbGl0aWNpYW5zMggQIRigARjDBEihB1CJBViJBXABeAKQAQCYAXqgAXqqAQMwLjG4AQPIAQD4AQGYAgOgAocBwgIEEAAYR8ICChAAGLADGNYEGEeYAwDiAwUSATEgQIgGAZAGApIHAzIuMaAH6QGyBwMwLjG4B33CBwUwLjIuMcgHBg&sclient=gws-wiz-serp&mstk=AUtExfAzzEtoEuzMfIGZKnK8E4-ptbBHUyS1YHszaEWxUTL1ijS7SDLLz2XSdo-4XDFbQmIGGX-jEoruA-T88gCg2ZBTV7iQasV6VyyPAd6YUXHnckjB-Uav0gxKSuhVoSG7iKaEhdAIHzNhhtwx8Y6M5katZ9Jmd0Kyp__0FN3otkQ26qWgRAY81TKuA2BAQeEV0GVBnTA3wMziBcGs9Hn_JXrGqdpy1sRKP-GWdXWpiobwqhlSx0p24KaMT5jN0kXPi7zvUN65DXwSbfGXxpALp8WFMSkE-RZaFQY_ly5mMFZlOQ&csui=3)**:** An Austrian official who was arrested in 2021 on suspicion of working with Russian intelligence. He allegedly provided information to Russia in exchange for money.
* [**Karl Robert Nesselrode**](https://www.google.com/search?q=Karl+Robert+Nesselrode&sca_esv=6e4820828e77e658&rlz=1C1GCEA_enDE1159DE1159&sxsrf=AE3TifOf1yqTlKmdgP44XAQUjg0GCwSqig%3A1760990691283&ei=45X2aPCLEaTJi-gP0-OskAM&ved=2ahUKEwj97vbKybOQAxUN2QIHHaX0IsAQgK4QegQIAxAH&uact=5&oq=austria+russia+politicians&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiGmF1c3RyaWEgcnVzc2lhIHBvbGl0aWNpYW5zMggQIRigARjDBEihB1CJBViJBXABeAKQAQCYAXqgAXqqAQMwLjG4AQPIAQD4AQGYAgOgAocBwgIEEAAYR8ICChAAGLADGNYEGEeYAwDiAwUSATEgQIgGAZAGApIHAzIuMaAH6QGyBwMwLjG4B33CBwUwLjIuMcgHBg&sclient=gws-wiz-serp&mstk=AUtExfAzzEtoEuzMfIGZKnK8E4-ptbBHUyS1YHszaEWxUTL1ijS7SDLLz2XSdo-4XDFbQmIGGX-jEoruA-T88gCg2ZBTV7iQasV6VyyPAd6YUXHnckjB-Uav0gxKSuhVoSG7iKaEhdAIHzNhhtwx8Y6M5katZ9Jmd0Kyp__0FN3otkQ26qWgRAY81TKuA2BAQeEV0GVBnTA3wMziBcGs9Hn_JXrGqdpy1sRKP-GWdXWpiobwqhlSx0p24KaMT5jN0kXPi7zvUN65DXwSbfGXxpALp8WFMSkE-RZaFQY_ly5mMFZlOQ&csui=3)**:** As the Russian foreign minister during the early 19th century, he played a key role in Russian diplomacy at events like the Congress of Vienna.
Just follow the gas lines
Like Merkel and Macron who kept negotiating with Putin but in vain? He only understands force. Its that simple.
No point. Puti is obsessed with leaving a stain on humanity!
NO, we do not. #@!%$ the Kremlin and @#$! Putin
No shit, who would have thought that being weak militarily and economically while simultaneously rejecting any kind of diplomacy could be a recipe for disaster
If Putin wanted to talk he would find ways. Europe needs to set the playing field, rules and produce facts and not plans. That’s completely backwards. You clearly have a player playing by his own rules. If you cannot “convince” him to play by yours, you shouldn’t expect him to.
Why? Has the pipeline broken?