Robert Jenrick accusato di essere “anti-britannico” perché sostiene il divieto del burqa
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/robert-jenrick-burqa-kemi-badenoch-conservative-b2849261.html
di StGuthlac2025
Robert Jenrick accusato di essere “anti-britannico” perché sostiene il divieto del burqa
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/robert-jenrick-burqa-kemi-badenoch-conservative-b2849261.html
di StGuthlac2025
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Throwing shapeless black fabric over a woman and concealing every human part of her bar the eyes (which are sometimes also hidden under a mesh) is not clothing. **It’s a death shroud.**
It’s coercive control. It erases women from visibly existing in the public sphere. Women in burqas can’t work outside the home and will struggle to make friends outside the immediate family. They can’t exercise, and find it difficult to eat/drink or even speak to others.
A burqa may conceal evidence of domestic abuse. It is also unbearably hot in high summer. And only women and girls wear them. Never men or boys. **It is obviously and grotesquely sexist.**
Its ridiculous this wasn’t banned years ago. This kind of practice is completely incompatible with British values.
Ah yes the British tradition of removing all evidences of humanity from women, making them unidentifiable, restricting their ability to communicate as humans evolved to do and brainwashing them to think it’s virtuous because of their religion when Islam doesn’t require anyone to cover their face at all.
British.
Let’s take the idea of this being the burqa out of the equation and ask a simple question; do people consider it rude when others try to mask their identity in public?
I’d argue most do, even myself who leans left on the vast majority of topics. In British history, those covering their identity have usually been up to no good.
Whilst I was born & raised in the UK I’ve lived in several different regions of the world, and I’ve always done my best to integrate with the local society within which I find myself. Covering one’s face does not fit with British societal norms.
I’m not convinced a ban is the best way forwards, but anyone wishing to join British society should be holding themselves to account for their integration. There are other religious items of clothing that can be worn, such as the hijab, that do not clash with the British societal expectation not to hide one’s identity.
I’m not sure where I stand on this personally, but:
France, Belgium, Austria, Denmark, Netherlands, Switzerland, Bulgaria and Luxembourg all have some form of “ban” on the burqa and all of these countries seem very liberal and progressive to me.
Let’s just ban all face coverings for everyone in public, except in situations like extreme cold weather, and PPE.
People outraged about burkas but they’re not _that_ different to the outfits worn by nuns.
In my experience the women who wore burkas only covered their face in public around strangers.
But most of all I don’t think we should enforce womens rights by telling women what they can and can’t wear.
What’s British about the burqa or halal slaughter. Both go against our culture
A burqa is not British to start with, so he is correct.
Not making comments either way about the ban, but how is being against burqas anti British
Somewhat surprised reading the comments that people think the ban is the government’s prerogative. My own feelings on the burka aside, I’d never let the government dictate what I can and can’t wear outside once I’ve met the basic requirements of not committing public indecency lol
Pour support into services for victims instead . Even if 100% of the women who are wearing burkas were coerced and forced into it, the right reaction to someone being a victimof car theft isn’t to take away their rights to own keys.
I don’t like them at all and think it’s misogynistic and out dated in the extreme when you see women wearing this and their husbands next to them in tracksuits. BUT also am against telling people what to wear, especially women. So am conflicted.
Calling someone or something ‘anti-British’ is the politicians code for not wanting, or not being able to articulate why they want to object to it. But still wanting to object.
But what has really upset me is that the article has a quote from Kemi Badenoch that sounds reasonable and I agree with.
>Ms Badenoch has previously rejected the idea of a ban, saying the move “won’t fix the problem of cultural separatism”.
I think the burqa is misogynistic but banning it isn’t the way to go. Banning it just forces the women to stay home because they can’t cover themselves in front of other men. It’s better to encourage these women to take part in public life where they can be exposed to freedoms and other ways of doing things. It’s just like a cult, forcing people to do things just pushes them deeper into the cult. It seems this is more to do with hating Islam than trying to protect vulnerable women
I personally believe the full burqa is something that is totally immoral and is against Western values. Religious freedoms should never mean negatively affecting or control/ coersing people.
On the other hand this is a good example of the grifting right wing taking a genuine point and combining it with “their side”, this really shouldn’t be an “us” and “them” conversation.
There’s been a thing for awhile of all governments and us on the center/left or right who have done absolutely everything not to have these conversations. Which is allowing the populist right to step into that space.
Honestly think it’ll sort itself out in a generation or so.
Not really a fan of giving the government power over what we wear either.
I don’t support jenrick or the conservative party. However, I have an issue with burka/niqab from a practical and safety standpoint. Firstly, I don’t believe you should be able to conceal your identity in public (including in the workspace) making others uncomfortable in the same way kids with balaclavas shouldn’t be able to. Secondly, driving with a burka/niqab significantly restricts your vision particularly your peripheral vision, therefore anyone wearing such religious attire should not be allowed to drive.
Nothing says “British values” like…controlling how women dress to “protect” women.
Almost every major European country has banned the burqa. It’s time to join them.
“It is completely abusive and sexist for men to determine what women are allowed to wear in public. Therefore I, a man, will introduce legislation to determine what women are allowed to wear in public”
Huh???
They want liberation in this country to become westerner so remove the burqa be liberated
Can’t we just ban face coverings in public in general, all those roadmen walking round with balaclavas could do with going away too. The only reason those guys are hiding their face is to get away with being up to mischief
a ban on specific clothing in general is bad idea. Also what would the effect be? We would see less burka in public. And the women? Would they suddenly be out in public in? A ban is not a good idea, and also not enough. We need it to be known by all people living here that we think It is shameful to dress this way and we all agree we are judging your family for doing it and if you need help you van get it. The acceptance should stop. But a law is stupid.
Robert Jenrick is corrupt and no one should listen to his opinion on anything, even if he might be right on this one.
Anything that conceals the entirety of the face is by definition, antisocial. The face is arguably the most important part of the body when it comes to interpersonal communication.
We don’t have extreme cold weather that would require one to sacrifice socialisation, ban the burqa, and all face coverings.
Ban burqas, ban niqabs and make it an offence to wear a balaclava in punlic while we’re at it.