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Since mods [accidently deleted](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/s/Ga9icUiMGJ) the previous submission here is this again.
[You can read the entire plan here. It is more dystopian than Chat Control](https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/document/download/4802e306-c364-4154-835b-e986a9a49281_en?filename=Concluding%20Report%20of%20the%20HLG%20on%20access%20to%20data%20for%20effective%20law%20enforcement_en.pdf) This plan is called ”Roadmap for lawful and effective access to data for law enforcement” or ”ProtectEU” for short.
EU [has already endorsed]( https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:52025DC0349) that plan, originally devised by anonymous law enforcement lobbyists. [When German MEP Patrick Breyer requested the names](https://fragdenstaat.de/anfrage/sub-groups-working-groups-of-the-high-level-expert-group-on-access-to-data-for-effective-law-enforcement/#nachricht-842415) of the individuals involved in the high level group, the group that wrote this proposal, the EU Commission [replied with a list with all names blacked out](https://media.frag-den-staat.de/files/foi/848493/document17-participantlistfirstplenary.pdf).
They are so proud of the plan, it is all over their website, such as [here](https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/networks/high-level-group-hlg-access-data-effective-law-enforcement_en)
and [here](https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/policies/internal-security/lawful-access-data/data-retention_en) and [here](https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/policies/internal-security/lawful-access-data_en) too
By the way, about the data retention aspect of this law, the [previous data retention law](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Retention_Directive) was declared illegal in 2014 by CJEU (EU’s highest court) for being mass surveillance and violating human rights.
Since most EU states refused to follow the court order and the EU commission refused to enforce it, [CJEU recently caved in to political pressure](https://www.laquadrature.net/en/2024/04/30/surveillance-and-hadopi-eu-court-buries-online-anonymity-a-little-further/) and changed their stance on data retention, making it legal. We shall see if the Commission refuses to enforce court decisions this time when it is about invading privacy rather than protecting it.
**The Europol chief said that in a digital environment, the police needed to be able to decode these messages to fight crime. [“You will not be able to enforce democracy without it,”](https://www.belganewsagency.eu/europol-chief-calls-on-tech-giants-to-unlock-encrypted-messages) she added.**
It seems we’re in need of a fightprotecteu site too…
Let’s hope this does not also get “accidentally” deleted.
“Enforce democracy” I wonder what word is better replacement of democracy there.
I was here before the awesome mods delete this again
Gotta bump it up again
Inb4 this is deleted
wtf is with these mods
haha who the fuck are they getting their money from
I can’t shake the feeling that this has nothing to do with “protecting citizens” and everything to do with killing off IPTV, piracy, and eventually adblockers. Once you mandate “lawful access” by design, you’re really just giving the state and large platforms a built-in backdoor to control what people can or *cannot* access. Security is just the branding, enforcement is the real objective
here before they delete it
They won’t be able to make it, data retention is against European rights
Repost?
This is all due to needing to differentiate individuals within a nation for the possibility of large scale infiltration by Russia.
This, lead by Denmark, who is at the chokehold of the baltic strait.
Passports are too easy to fake.
Online access is without identification.
This helps prevent online bot misinformation farms as participation requires citizenship, which is a defense against propoganda from outside actors.
Crazy, they try it again and again.
Such cowards. Who are they, why do they keep trying to push such laws. How can they be stored for good?
If this passes, I’m leaving EU unless my country does it.
To put it gently, these cunts can go cuddle a woodchipper.
It’s not democracy if you can enforce bullshit without the people actually agreeing to it.
Denmark is on the fast track to ruin the internet, democracy, the EU and basically everything that made this part of the world good.
…they’ll keep trying to push this shit in any possible form until it passes, won’t they?
Reposting my comment from the deleted post for engagement help.
Told y’all EU is pushing hard for these laws until one passes. And if one passes, the other ones do too. EU isn’t this nice community where they want the best for citizens. In reality, it’s a block quickly turning authoritarian and dystopic. The fact that EU law is above country laws is gonna fuck us hard. Digital sovereignty will mean the Chinese or Russian systems for us.
Are the governments officials still out of this new control loop ?
Or do they still consider themselves above the laws they try to push onto their populations to “protect democracy and its children” ?
So buy a Chinese device that you might get spied on with or buy an EU device that you *will* get spied on. Don’t you just love the future?
If this one gets deleted as well, we will know which side the mods are, I guess.
“lawful access” is the new “legalized crime”
I swear. Isnt there any fucking way of stopping this crazy thing once and forever? It just keeps coming back with extra bs.
Even if we take the very best case scenario of good intentions and use they will “double pinky swear” won’t abuse, and even if somehow no illegal agents access it . All it will take is a single authoritarian in any EU country for every single govrrnment in the entire world to have access to all private information, communication and godsforbid banking details.
I used to be very Pro-EU, but with garbage like this being pushed constantly im not so sure anymore…
We truly live in the Helldivers 2 universe, the global turn to facism under the guise of democracy is a tad bit late tho.
Never stop the madness!
Are you ready for the new world order?
I hate the EU more and more. Over the last years it became anti people and pro dictatorship