The article is REALLY long with multiple interviews so it will be divided in comments.
TRANSLATION.
fennecdore on
>Their concept of womanhood is submission to men, and there are Islamic countries where homosexuals are hanged simply for being who they are. We cannot allow that in Spain.
Dude what do you think the plan of the far right are for homosexuals and women ?
aandest15 on
Young people in Spain also flood the streets during the 8th March and LGBTQ Pride demonstrations, to protest against Israel or to demand better housing.
But El Pais does not interview them. Only interviews young people that vote right wing parties. Ask yourself why.
Sea-Ratio-273 on
Honestly, not surprised.
_segamega_ on
maybe leftwingers have something to do with it?
yUQHdn7DNWr9 on
>>Instagram, Youtube, TikTok and Twitter
There you have it.
kowwalski on
And what has left done to them? They cannot afford housing, the job market is bs, the climate is cooking everyone alive. They have nothing to lose and nobody to trust. They are angry and they rebel, susceptible to misinformation they are bombarded by on social media, same space the only idols they have, influencers, occupy.
I don’t support turning far right but I’m not surprised at all.
Common_North_5267 on
I can’t really speak on whats happening in Spain, but I imagine the trend is the same across the whole of the western world. Young people are feeling pretty dissatisfied with the world they were born into. The pendulum swings back and forth and if you can’t see this as push back for the last 10 years of popular culture, then you’re blind.
What does the right offer?
No solutions, but a minority target for young people to channel their well founded rage at their declining political efficacy, living standards and buying power. Classic this guy is stealing your cookie politics.
What does the left offer?
The same lack of solutions, but instead of a target they offer a pedestal for identity politics and a narrative that the majority are not unique/ special, essentially Meritocracy of identity.
The left will be out of style for a while until they identify a different minority (the rich) to channel rage at. The only problem is that politics are corrupted by capitalism, so this will take a long while.
sleeper_must_awaken on
They grow up in a world of moral performance: all pride or shame, with no transcendence and no calling.
ganbaro on
The statements the young make kinda track with my own experience in German speaking countries
I have seen many peers (18-40yr old roughly) shift to the right, without the usual fascist rhetoric. They are still liberal and open to left-wing ideas, but they have observed many of the latter fail: They got promised an economic boom thanks to migration, but their daily life feels like Japanesque stagnatiom. They got promised cheaper housing the more.the housing market gets regulated, but with every regulation it only got more expensive. They got promised liberalism for all, but they observe left-wing parties willingly ignoring any demographics attacking LGBTQ and Jews that have a migration background. They got promised more social services paid for by the wealthty, but all they get is more ~~income tax~~ taxes and contributions to fund payouts to the elderly. Etc.
Its less the right winning than the left losing IMHO. The far-right boom seems to be an development that exists *besides* the general right-wing surge, fueled more by Tiktok abd younger voters. I don’t see it happen among my peers. People are dramatically more right-wing then I am used to, but I still have not a single (outspoken, at least) far-right voter among my peers.
If the left continues to replicate the usual answers and relies on everyone shifting to the right being a temporarily influenced fool, they will continue to lose.
Edit: Furthermore, my anecdotal experience is that even among people that stick with Greens/Libs/SocDems (like myself), the migration patterns since Merkel are becoming increasingly unpopular. I firmly believe that pulling a Denmark earlier would have killed, or at least severly slowed down, the far-right wave in most western European countries. Without any significant change in other culture wars positions. The established left to conservative parties instead decided to stick with positions formed during the 00s and early 10s optimism.as much as they could, which was a decent gamble, but in retrospect we know it didn’t work out.
Edit: Its not correct that its income tax that is rising in Germany, more so the overall amount of various taxes and contributions average earners have to bear.
Edit2: I am not argueing that the Union or AfD are *better*. I am sharing arguments I have observed people.make to deviate from a left of centre vote. That’s not the same. If someone believes that the left’ positions share drawbacks with the conservatives’, what happens is that people lose their incentive to stick with left of centre parties. Not happy about it? Don:t blame the messenger, try to convince the switching voters. I am still voting Green/Volt/FDP. I never voted to the right of FDP (so Union or AFD) in my life. While I share many of the concerns I listed, I am well aware that voting for Merz does not help.
Tbh, the comments I recieve confirm my priors on another point I tend to make more often recently: The left became worse in messaging. You won’t get a disenfranchised voter back by calling them delusional, far-right or whatever (again, I am not even one of these voters to begin with). We are trying scaremongering, it doesn’t work. How about a positive story abouy left success, for once, balanced against the main concerns voters have (rent, pension, migration)?
TeaBoy24 on
I keep getting conflicting news.
On one hand , a stream of news about how the young aren’t all that more right wing.
And then ones that they are.
But guess what? It seems to be different per country basis.
This is Spain, which had a left government for most of the years since Franco, and where even their centre-right are notoriously more left leaning than a lot of countries in the EU. I am not saying they are on the left, but that they are very centrist.
So you had either left or very centrist governments for 40 years…. Not a surprise that youth are going to the right.
mint445 on
those who don’t know the history are doomed to repeat it
Fun-Needleworker-794 on
They’re also more left-wing than ever, particularly women, but that gets less clicks or something
bukowsky01 on
Are they really though? I feel like it depends on topics. They might want less illegal immigration but I don’t hear the same overt racism or homophobia than when I grew up. Are the youth the ones asking for militarisation of society and a return of military service? Are they protesting against democracy and for a return to authoritarian regimes?
richardsaganIII on
Is it me or is that posted article 1 paragraph that has about 100 ads around it and explains nothing about why they would be more right wing than ever in a world like this? If anything I was expecting the opposite, can anyone confirm – are gen z “more right wing than ever” truly or is this just a completely false claim?
GobiPLX on
Right gives very simple answers for complicated problems. It’s easier to believe “it’s bad because of immigrants/jews/gay” than actually to try understand and work to fix complicated problems.
It works like this in Poland at least.
Icamebackagain on
I have a lot of friends voting for right wing anti immigration partys. But then when you ask them about anything other than immigration their ideas are pretty left leaning. The right has succeeded in swaying a lot of voters on a single issue
Rurumo666 on
Of course they are, look who owns the Social Media they spend so much of their lives on.
matrix0218 on
When the economy is doing poorly, political polarization tends to increase, people either lean left toward revolution or right toward expansionism.The internet has only amplified this process.
Filias9 on
Young people care about what is on social media and in their circle. Far-right is just more successful in it. They just blindly repeat and whatever their “influencer” say. Easily manipulated. That’s the real answer. Who have impact on TikTok/Instagram and looks charismatic with couple of empty phrases will be successful. Will be followed.
Minute-Leg7346 on
Im pretty left, but the left keep cannibalising itself by dying on hills that the majority of people just find don’t popular, Mass immigration in particular and blatant refusal to acknowledge the problems it causes is a huge one, left wing parties also seem pretty out of touch sometimes, Out of the three left wing parties that ran in our local elections , two made awareness for Palestine the main focus and while I have sympathy, I just want a party that will run the local area effeciently and Palestine has nothing to do with that.
SilverSovereigns on
Online meme wars have been won by the right and its network of Russian-supported content farms. It’s really that simple. Young people don’t look up from the memes in their phones long enough to assess reality and they have no access to professional journalism or historiography anymore.
Baba_NO_Riley on
Young people: we are libertarians, we are souverign citizens, we want absolute freedom, unions are ‘left-wing’, ‘ socialism ‘ – bad, state and institutions – bad.
Young people: we want the state to provide well payed jobs, we want affordable housing, we want affordable childcare.
bbotbambi on
The one thing that gets a lot more people into “right-wing” is constant exposure to it. This article and this exposure is an example of it.
We should shift away from “clickbait” titles and “saucy new articles”, and focus on whats the issue. There are young people leaning towards right-wing, but why? The title should towards that than the shitty clickbait ones and OPs title.
asfsdgwe35r3asfdas23 on
I am Spanish, and I don’t understand what the government is doing. With the economic results of the country, they could easily have a majority. The economy is doing very good, and they did a good job managing the Covid recovery funds. All of that while the right wing parties have some of the worse and less popular leaders in decades.
Also, while immigration is an issue for other EU countries. It is not a big issue in Spain (regardless of what some comments here say). Most of the inmigrants that come to Spain are from Latin America, which share our culture and language and integrate instantly in the country. There is no one against this immigration, in fact even the far right party VOX said that “Latin Americans are not inmigrants, they are brothers”. There are only some minor issues with underage kids from North Africa that could be easily shorted out.
Yet the left decided to commit seppuku, and completely lost the young people, and it looks that there might even lose the government in the next few months as the right wing parties have a majority in the parliament to take down the government, by refusing to do anything about housing. That is the mayor issue for young people in Spain, not immigration. They could have invested into building affordable housing, making construction of new houses easier, reducing taxes for your first house purchase… but they didn’t, they decided that they didn’t want to do anything. And now the government with the best economic results in decades will be replaces with a coalition of the right and far-right parties. How can somebody be so stupid to loose most of your votes over a single issue that you could have addressed? I cannot understand the left wing parties.
T-Roll- on
Andrew tate and joe rogan
Designer-Teacher8573 on
Probably because they aren’t immune to populist nonsense either.
Larsern987 on
Reddit are more radical left wing than ever
Fantastic_Day_8318 on
Nicholas J Fuentes for future POTUS!!!
Necessary-Low-5226 on
Right = lower taxes and more freedom for billionaires
That’s where the money lies.
UrbanCyclerPT on
Forgetting the most important:
They live online on social media. Social media is 100% owned by right wingers who control what they see. so, they are influenced by it.
Check the algorithms who favor right wing and polemic posts and you see where the result is. It is not just the crisis in housing and cost of living. If it was like that, then they wouldn’t be supporting the side that makes those things exactly worse. It is all about information and 100% of what they get is online. Gods used to be rock bands, now it’s futile people and billionaires. Just go back a few years and if someone called themselves «influence» we would say FU, you will influence my ass, now they’re followed.
The world has been shit for everyone for a long time (the world ain’t just america and Europe) , they are moving right wing because they are not fed the other side of the spectrum of news. And are being taught that empathy is a flaw.
Alex_Strgzr on
Bear in mind that not every country is the same. In the UK they’re more leftwing than every generation which came before.
32 commenti
The article is REALLY long with multiple interviews so it will be divided in comments.
TRANSLATION.
>Their concept of womanhood is submission to men, and there are Islamic countries where homosexuals are hanged simply for being who they are. We cannot allow that in Spain.
Dude what do you think the plan of the far right are for homosexuals and women ?
Young people in Spain also flood the streets during the 8th March and LGBTQ Pride demonstrations, to protest against Israel or to demand better housing.
But El Pais does not interview them. Only interviews young people that vote right wing parties. Ask yourself why.
Honestly, not surprised.
maybe leftwingers have something to do with it?
>>Instagram, Youtube, TikTok and Twitter
There you have it.
And what has left done to them? They cannot afford housing, the job market is bs, the climate is cooking everyone alive. They have nothing to lose and nobody to trust. They are angry and they rebel, susceptible to misinformation they are bombarded by on social media, same space the only idols they have, influencers, occupy.
I don’t support turning far right but I’m not surprised at all.
I can’t really speak on whats happening in Spain, but I imagine the trend is the same across the whole of the western world. Young people are feeling pretty dissatisfied with the world they were born into. The pendulum swings back and forth and if you can’t see this as push back for the last 10 years of popular culture, then you’re blind.
What does the right offer?
No solutions, but a minority target for young people to channel their well founded rage at their declining political efficacy, living standards and buying power. Classic this guy is stealing your cookie politics.
What does the left offer?
The same lack of solutions, but instead of a target they offer a pedestal for identity politics and a narrative that the majority are not unique/ special, essentially Meritocracy of identity.
The left will be out of style for a while until they identify a different minority (the rich) to channel rage at. The only problem is that politics are corrupted by capitalism, so this will take a long while.
They grow up in a world of moral performance: all pride or shame, with no transcendence and no calling.
The statements the young make kinda track with my own experience in German speaking countries
I have seen many peers (18-40yr old roughly) shift to the right, without the usual fascist rhetoric. They are still liberal and open to left-wing ideas, but they have observed many of the latter fail: They got promised an economic boom thanks to migration, but their daily life feels like Japanesque stagnatiom. They got promised cheaper housing the more.the housing market gets regulated, but with every regulation it only got more expensive. They got promised liberalism for all, but they observe left-wing parties willingly ignoring any demographics attacking LGBTQ and Jews that have a migration background. They got promised more social services paid for by the wealthty, but all they get is more ~~income tax~~ taxes and contributions to fund payouts to the elderly. Etc.
Its less the right winning than the left losing IMHO. The far-right boom seems to be an development that exists *besides* the general right-wing surge, fueled more by Tiktok abd younger voters. I don’t see it happen among my peers. People are dramatically more right-wing then I am used to, but I still have not a single (outspoken, at least) far-right voter among my peers.
If the left continues to replicate the usual answers and relies on everyone shifting to the right being a temporarily influenced fool, they will continue to lose.
Edit: Furthermore, my anecdotal experience is that even among people that stick with Greens/Libs/SocDems (like myself), the migration patterns since Merkel are becoming increasingly unpopular. I firmly believe that pulling a Denmark earlier would have killed, or at least severly slowed down, the far-right wave in most western European countries. Without any significant change in other culture wars positions. The established left to conservative parties instead decided to stick with positions formed during the 00s and early 10s optimism.as much as they could, which was a decent gamble, but in retrospect we know it didn’t work out.
Edit: Its not correct that its income tax that is rising in Germany, more so the overall amount of various taxes and contributions average earners have to bear.
Edit2: I am not argueing that the Union or AfD are *better*. I am sharing arguments I have observed people.make to deviate from a left of centre vote. That’s not the same. If someone believes that the left’ positions share drawbacks with the conservatives’, what happens is that people lose their incentive to stick with left of centre parties. Not happy about it? Don:t blame the messenger, try to convince the switching voters. I am still voting Green/Volt/FDP. I never voted to the right of FDP (so Union or AFD) in my life. While I share many of the concerns I listed, I am well aware that voting for Merz does not help.
Tbh, the comments I recieve confirm my priors on another point I tend to make more often recently: The left became worse in messaging. You won’t get a disenfranchised voter back by calling them delusional, far-right or whatever (again, I am not even one of these voters to begin with). We are trying scaremongering, it doesn’t work. How about a positive story abouy left success, for once, balanced against the main concerns voters have (rent, pension, migration)?
I keep getting conflicting news.
On one hand , a stream of news about how the young aren’t all that more right wing.
And then ones that they are.
But guess what? It seems to be different per country basis.
This is Spain, which had a left government for most of the years since Franco, and where even their centre-right are notoriously more left leaning than a lot of countries in the EU. I am not saying they are on the left, but that they are very centrist.
So you had either left or very centrist governments for 40 years…. Not a surprise that youth are going to the right.
those who don’t know the history are doomed to repeat it
They’re also more left-wing than ever, particularly women, but that gets less clicks or something
Are they really though? I feel like it depends on topics. They might want less illegal immigration but I don’t hear the same overt racism or homophobia than when I grew up. Are the youth the ones asking for militarisation of society and a return of military service? Are they protesting against democracy and for a return to authoritarian regimes?
Is it me or is that posted article 1 paragraph that has about 100 ads around it and explains nothing about why they would be more right wing than ever in a world like this? If anything I was expecting the opposite, can anyone confirm – are gen z “more right wing than ever” truly or is this just a completely false claim?
Right gives very simple answers for complicated problems. It’s easier to believe “it’s bad because of immigrants/jews/gay” than actually to try understand and work to fix complicated problems.
It works like this in Poland at least.
I have a lot of friends voting for right wing anti immigration partys. But then when you ask them about anything other than immigration their ideas are pretty left leaning. The right has succeeded in swaying a lot of voters on a single issue
Of course they are, look who owns the Social Media they spend so much of their lives on.
When the economy is doing poorly, political polarization tends to increase, people either lean left toward revolution or right toward expansionism.The internet has only amplified this process.
Young people care about what is on social media and in their circle. Far-right is just more successful in it. They just blindly repeat and whatever their “influencer” say. Easily manipulated. That’s the real answer. Who have impact on TikTok/Instagram and looks charismatic with couple of empty phrases will be successful. Will be followed.
Im pretty left, but the left keep cannibalising itself by dying on hills that the majority of people just find don’t popular, Mass immigration in particular and blatant refusal to acknowledge the problems it causes is a huge one, left wing parties also seem pretty out of touch sometimes, Out of the three left wing parties that ran in our local elections , two made awareness for Palestine the main focus and while I have sympathy, I just want a party that will run the local area effeciently and Palestine has nothing to do with that.
Online meme wars have been won by the right and its network of Russian-supported content farms. It’s really that simple. Young people don’t look up from the memes in their phones long enough to assess reality and they have no access to professional journalism or historiography anymore.
Young people: we are libertarians, we are souverign citizens, we want absolute freedom, unions are ‘left-wing’, ‘ socialism ‘ – bad, state and institutions – bad.
Young people: we want the state to provide well payed jobs, we want affordable housing, we want affordable childcare.
The one thing that gets a lot more people into “right-wing” is constant exposure to it. This article and this exposure is an example of it.
We should shift away from “clickbait” titles and “saucy new articles”, and focus on whats the issue. There are young people leaning towards right-wing, but why? The title should towards that than the shitty clickbait ones and OPs title.
I am Spanish, and I don’t understand what the government is doing. With the economic results of the country, they could easily have a majority. The economy is doing very good, and they did a good job managing the Covid recovery funds. All of that while the right wing parties have some of the worse and less popular leaders in decades.
Also, while immigration is an issue for other EU countries. It is not a big issue in Spain (regardless of what some comments here say). Most of the inmigrants that come to Spain are from Latin America, which share our culture and language and integrate instantly in the country. There is no one against this immigration, in fact even the far right party VOX said that “Latin Americans are not inmigrants, they are brothers”. There are only some minor issues with underage kids from North Africa that could be easily shorted out.
Yet the left decided to commit seppuku, and completely lost the young people, and it looks that there might even lose the government in the next few months as the right wing parties have a majority in the parliament to take down the government, by refusing to do anything about housing. That is the mayor issue for young people in Spain, not immigration. They could have invested into building affordable housing, making construction of new houses easier, reducing taxes for your first house purchase… but they didn’t, they decided that they didn’t want to do anything. And now the government with the best economic results in decades will be replaces with a coalition of the right and far-right parties. How can somebody be so stupid to loose most of your votes over a single issue that you could have addressed? I cannot understand the left wing parties.
Andrew tate and joe rogan
Probably because they aren’t immune to populist nonsense either.
Reddit are more radical left wing than ever
Nicholas J Fuentes for future POTUS!!!
Right = lower taxes and more freedom for billionaires
That’s where the money lies.
Forgetting the most important:
They live online on social media. Social media is 100% owned by right wingers who control what they see. so, they are influenced by it.
Check the algorithms who favor right wing and polemic posts and you see where the result is. It is not just the crisis in housing and cost of living. If it was like that, then they wouldn’t be supporting the side that makes those things exactly worse. It is all about information and 100% of what they get is online. Gods used to be rock bands, now it’s futile people and billionaires. Just go back a few years and if someone called themselves «influence» we would say FU, you will influence my ass, now they’re followed.
The world has been shit for everyone for a long time (the world ain’t just america and Europe) , they are moving right wing because they are not fed the other side of the spectrum of news. And are being taught that empathy is a flaw.
Bear in mind that not every country is the same. In the UK they’re more leftwing than every generation which came before.