Sistema di difesa aerea FCAS: la Germania vuole soluzioni nazionali
https://table.media/en/security/news-en/fcas-air-defense-system-germany-wants-national-solutions
di bukowsky01
Sistema di difesa aerea FCAS: la Germania vuole soluzioni nazionali
https://table.media/en/security/news-en/fcas-air-defense-system-germany-wants-national-solutions
di bukowsky01
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>**FCAS air defense system: Germany wants national solutions**
>The future of FCAS is more uncertain than ever: Instead of the Franco-German-Spanish cooperation, Berlin is aiming for its own project that relies on unmanned systems to complement the Eurofighter and the US F-35 fighter aircraft, the “Combat Fighter System of System Nucleus” (CFSN).
>**The focus will no longer be on the new Next Generation Fighter (NGF) from the French company Dassault, but on the Eurofighter and the US F-35, as part of CFSN, explained Martin Heltzel, who is responsible for FCAS at the BAAINBw**, at the “Air Force Tech Summit” in Berlin on Tuesday. This is about strengthening “national technological developments,” according to Heltzel. Germany would be the first country in Europe to operationalize “an unmanned platform” as part of CFSN, he said.
>FCAS consists of an NGF and unmanned systems. They are to communicate within a “Combat Cloud” network. In the German CFSN, Eurofighters and F-35s, of which Germany has ordered three dozen, are to communicate with each other. France would be left out of this system. **This would mean a de facto termination of the joint FCAS project and, in turn, increase dependence on the US F-35.**
>France continues to claim the leading role in the joint program. “We have not managed to agree on a system concept,” explained Colonel Jörg Rauber, responsible for FCAS at the Ministry of Defense. Above all, it is unclear what the Next Generation Fighter must be able to do. France attaches great importance to the aircraft being able to carry nuclear weapons and land on an aircraft carrier. Should FCAS fail with France, the Swedish company Saab would be ready as a partner, as CEO Micael Johansson explains in an interview with Table.Briefings.
Well, if the guy heading the FCAS at the BAAINBw says it, it’s pretty much done: bye bye FCAS.
Updates for the EFs, more F-35s, and possibly a cooperation with Saab, which funnily enough offers itself as a partner for the FCAS (https://table.media/security/interview/saab-ceo-johansson-wir-koennen-ein-faehiger-partner-fuer-fcas-sein)
Since they “not been able to agree on system concept”, it seems the issues are more than just the workshare.
Being carrier and nuke capable is also obviously still an issue for Germany, but a Saab partnership offers a different set of constraints, with Sweden favoring a much lighter plane that Germany seems to want.
This is shocking who could’ve seen a project between France and Germany not working out
This is a similar article I think with more information.
https://defensearchives.com/news/germany-moves-to-reframe-fcas-with-national-plans/
Hilarious that, of the EU big 4, the only ones who are gonna be getting their planes as planned are the ones who are making it with two non-EU countries.
And people here dream about a european army fucking lmao. The union is as dysfunctional as it gets on these matters. We are lucky an attack on the EU is unlikely to happen, cause it would be a shitshow.
I’m really curious about what the french are going to do now. Will they really just continue their “debt is just a number” approach to economics and finance it with the blood sweat and tears of the french that will suffer the eventual consequences? Cause the project just got 3x more expensive for them (assumming same budget as fcas).
In any case, based on our latest purchases and this happening, seems likely we’ll take a shopping kart around Turkey’s MIC, at least until 6th gens start being sold around.
Oh just stop whining germany, just leave and do it alone, you are perfectly capable of it !
So to make it simple, Germany will have their own drones program, (hopefully airbus will dare wake up for that and not continue the american way.) try to get Spain and Sweden into the program while focusing with the eurofighter/f-35.
While at the same time Spain was looking into a catobar carrier and Sweden wasn’t that excited to make a plane alongside Germany as they don’t have the same requirements.
(Saab wouldn’t mind being in probably to share their experiences in ucav but otherwise this doesn’t involve Sweden itself)
France already planned big updates for the Rafale and UCAV outside of FCAS (some articles seems to suggest that this was a problem lol), same for a big part of the technologies. it would also allow Dassault to focus on making the future plane easy to export again.
Rafale success will very most likely continue to help funding technologies for both planes.
I will never understand why Germany is this stubborn. Like for fucks sake, like it or not, Dassault is a bit more experienced with making a modern jet than Airbus.
I apologize to the experts of this sub, but please explain what the requirements are for a 6th-generation fighter jet and why there are such differences between fighter jets that can be carrier-based and those that cannot.
It is not very clear to a non-expert.
This programme is cooked.
Gen 6 European airframes delayed to the 2040s
And before you ask, yes. It is delusional to even think to keep Gen 4 airframes in service till the 2040s.
Also developing said airframes isn’t the biggest issue, you then need to build 100s of them.
So developing and testing a new Gen 6 airframe (10 years) (+5 years of delays) 2040, how many can you make in the couple years of production? 60 planes at best? (if you don’t get supply chain issues)
2045 rolls by and you finally can retire your late 1980/1990 airframes
Time to order more F35s I guess..
They seem to assume that the projects would continue but with two planes, so that would mean retaining the collaboration on the engine? I am not sure what is the interest of France in collaboration on the engine in this situation though.