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  1. From the article:
    >Tech companies have become such a central part of the Irish economy that we’re now alarmingly reliant on the income they bring, even if the benefits are rarely felt by the average citizen. Since the mid-2010s, the relocation of intellectual property assets by companies like Apple to Ireland has grossly distorted its GDP — to the extent that Ireland is often left out of EU GDP calculations to avoid skewing the data. This kind of “economic froth,” as named by Cliff Taylor in a 2023 *Irish Times* article, creates an unhealthy reliance on America’s continued offshore manufacturing of products like tech and pharma — a situation that is now under serious risk as the Department of Finance forecasts that the Trump administration’s mooted tariffs could cost Ireland €18 billion in lost trade.

    >John Naughton, writing in *The Guardian* in 2022, foresaw the fragility of the situation, noting that foreign multinationals, mostly composed of the tech and pharma sector, account for 66 percent of Ireland’s exports. If the tech companies move and pharma exports are hit with threatened tariffs from the United States, Ireland’s economy will be deeply exposed. The Irish government and data protection commissioner’s moves to protect companies like Apple and Meta from taxes and fines demonstrate a desperation to hold on to these multinationals at any cost, rather than to imagine an Ireland without them.

    >Coming so soon after the last recession, it feels like we’re sleepwalking into the same disaster.

    Highly relevant: [TIL that Ireland’s top ten corporate taxpayers are all American. Apple, Microsoft, Google, Pfizer, Merck (US), J&J, Facebook, Intel, Medtronic, and Coca-Cola paid 56% of all corporate tax in 2021. #1 Apple and #2 Microsoft together pay €4.1 billion, more than #3 to #10 combined.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/1i7611h/til_that_irelands_top_ten_corporate_taxpayers_are/)

  2. Anglo-Norman-Stan on

    My fear here is how much power this gives said companies over our governments: If a sizeable chunk of your tax revenue derives from one source, that company has a serious hold over you 

    “Nice tax revenue ya got there… shame if something were to happen to it”

    Edited to add: whatever your political leanings, a company essentially being such a massive part of the public finances that it essentially becomes its own constituency that any government must satisfy should be deeply concerning

  3. Fluffy-Republic8610 on

    Us tech investment has been a runaway success for Ireland. And we have a problem of success. The same as a country with huge oil revenues. Over reliance on one sector.

    But that’s not to say it hadn’t been brilliant for Ireland.

  4. Willing-Departure115 on

    >Tech companies have become such a central part of the Irish economy that we’re now alarmingly reliant on the income they bring, **even if the benefits are rarely felt by the average citizen**.

    I’m sorry, but what? The concentration risk is real, but this idea that the average citizen rarely feels the benefits of a booming economy, full employment, and a state with money coming out its ears, is hyperbolic BS that undermines very valid points you can make about all the things we’re failing to accomplish (on housing, childrens health, etc).

    What’s the counter factual world where we simultaniously have the same amount of money just coming from different sources? Or would we just be happier as a poorer nation? Sure cans were cheap during the recession. And sure wasn’t the sense of community better in the 80’s when we all had to march in protests together because income taxes were so bloody high.

    There are some good points made in the article, but it does read like “poet goes off on one because they feel grubby about the money from American corporations”.

  5. fuzzfrog on

    The multi nationals are the source of the tax revenue that pays our 23 billion social welfare bill each year. Take that money away and you’d have to cut healthcare and social spending

  6. Entire-Gas-7651 on

    Worth remembering that not only are we incredibly reliant on an unsustainable source of revenue from handful of companies but we were essentially forced by the European Commission to take over €14 billion from Apple that our government didn’t want to take. We were owed that money, and our public representitives were scared to take it – this is where we are right now.

  7. Educational-Pay4112 on

    Reliant? Yes.
    Has to been good for us? Yes.

    Is remaining this reliant forever a good thing? No.
    Should we do things politically to damage the relationship? No.

    We have to be adults and admit that our financial health in the world is overinflated due to this relationship. We have to respect that we would be a very different country without it. We can do all this while expressing we are uncomfortable with the reliance and put plans in place to reduce it. The USA would almost admit that they prop us up too much. They are probably uncomfortable with that too.

  8. No_Influence2520 on

    The opposite is consistently argued on reddit – that we’re not over reliant on tech, not especially exposed to an AI crash, that tech workers have a negligible affect on housing. A country that has “boomed” for so long should not be struggling with outdated incapable infrastructure,  have homelessness figures creeping steadily to 20k and an emigration crisis of critical workers like nurses and teachers. Can’t help feeling a competent government over the last 15 years could have this country in a much different position. 

  9. sureyouknowurself on

    And we built a culture of state dependency around it.

  10. Otherwise-Winner9643 on

    Who do you think pays for one of the most redistributive tax systems in the OECD?

    A handful of MNC’s account for most of the corporation tax and their employees account for most of the income tax. And 2/3rds of all income tax comes from the top 10% of earners.

    There were 3.4 million employees in Ireland in 2024 https://www.revenue.ie/en/corporate/documents/research/income-tax-overview-2024.pdf

    That means 2/3rds of all income tax came around 340,000 people, those earning >€102,000.

    The top 1%, approximately **34,000 people**, earning >€290,000, account for almost a **quarter of all income tax**. That is incredibly risky when you have 1/3 not paying any tax at all.

    Who do you think is going to fund social housing, HAP, healthcare, pensions, infrastructure projects, social welfare, children’s allowance etc if those high paying jobs go?

    Most countries have a much wider tax base. In Ireland, it is concentrated on a very small number of people. If these small numbers of companies move the jobs elsewhere, you won’t then be able to suddenly start taxing everyone proportionally. We would be back to how it was in the 80s.

    If we want to reduce reliance on these companies and top earners, income taxes would need to widened so that the lower and middle end pay more. Would people be happy with this outcome?

  11. markyosullivan on

    Ireland should be using the fact it’s a huge tech hub as an advantage, giving incentives to help young Irish entrepreneurs establish tech startups in Ireland.

    There’s already plenty of highly skilled tech workers to make it easier than countries which don’t have many highly skilled tech companies.

  12. It was way better when we didn’t have the tech and pharma industries and were dirt poor with single carriage way roads between our largest cities.

  13. caisdara on

    This was posted the other week.

    US tech made us rich and helped us recover from the crash. Arrogant pricks pretending poverty was ennobling can fuck right off.

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