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    1. bboymonty1 on

      Nobody will care about animals. We kill animals on an industrial scale 24/7. The animal industry is also a war, just against animals. By buying meat, we finance the demand for animal killing. This system screwed up a long time ago.

    2. Holden_Coalfield on

      not to mention the millions of miles of optic fiber

    3. Shoddy-Childhood-511 on

      I’m dubious here..

      Any oil consumed by the war would be consumed somewhere by someone anyways. I doubt explosives themselves added that much carbon either.

      It’s true deforistation would’ve dramatic impacts, but farmland being damaged has less impact. Also, this should be weighed agsint the Russian refineries being offline, assuming their crude does not simply get processed elsewhere. The war may have reduced oil availability and consumption globally.

      Anyways, there is a strong case that violent conflicts & sabotage carried out by nations maybe the only political mechanism by which humans can truly leave oil & gas in the ground longer-term. In any case, if say the Ukraine war changes the rules of engagement, so that nations target their opponents oil & gas infrastrcuture first, then the Ukraine war could be a real positive tipping point in the first against climate change, if only by making insurance less relevant for those assets.

      It’s true the war leaves toxins everwhere too, like all the plastic fiberoptic cables. Yet again, if somehow the final outcome of the war wound up being some mostly uninhabited demilitarized zone, like say the currently occipied regions, crimea, and a similarly size region in Russia, then longer term this could be ecologically better than the agriculture that’d occur there otherwise.

      Imagine an even bigger extreme: Some independent sabateurs cause metldowns at several Russian nuclear power plants, which completely bankrupts Russia, and makes large areas semi-uninhabitable to humans for 10,000 years, but animal and plant life mostly persists in these areas. This would be benefitial because as climate change makes the tropics uninhabitable, so we need something that stops humans from moving northwards into these areas. Of course this doesn’t quite work since most of Russia has no nuclear power plants.

      In bref, what’s bad for humans is not always bad for nature. It depends upon the specifics both now and in the future, but I’d lay out three general rules:

      – It’s mostly good for the future of all life on this planet whenever any nation damages or destroys another nation’s oil infrastructure.
      – Russia is a petrostate, so it’ll harm the enviroment long-term if Ukraine loses and Russia becomes stronger.
      – It’ll harm the enviroment if Russia’s forests get exploited, so our enviroment benefits if Russia cannot extract & export resoruces.

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