Il Ministero della Giustizia rimuove il diritto al processo con giuria per migliaia di casi oggetto di una revisione controversa

    https://www.theguardian.com/law/2025/nov/20/moj-to-remove-right-to-trial-by-jury-for-thousands-of-cases-in-controversial-overhaul

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    1. radiant_0wl on

      >Changes to jury trials are opposed by 90% of the Criminal Bar Association, which has warned that ending the right would be an unacceptable price to pay and undermine what was a fundamental principle for British justice. It said that the British public had a deep faith in the jury system – and that changes risked a loss of trust.

      So almost universally hated.

      I thought this was regarding protests and direct action, there’s been a series of cases where the jury has refused to convict despite clear evidence that an offence has been committed, [such as these. ](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czdjg0vrl8ro)

      But this is a abhorrent proposal and I can’t recall the last time I saw something as bad, … The Iraq War was less controversial than this.

    2. 00DEADBEEF on

      Make it more efficient by switching to guilty until proven innocent and locking them up for life right away

      [Edit] Did it really need a sarcasm tag, u/_Monsterguy_ ?

    3. DukePPUk on

      > The government will legislate in the new year to enact most of the recommendations in Leveson’s report which says the backlog for so many serious cases has become so catastrophic that extreme action is necessary.

      So this is the Government responding to an expert report into how to improve the criminal justice system (now if only they’d done the same with the last big report by Sir Leveson).

      The issue they are claiming to fix is defendants demanding a jury trial, knowing that it will take years to happen, and that during the delay the witnesses and victims will give up and/or move on, and the case will collapse – with the defendant on bail during that time.

      There are too many people being prosecuted and not enough courts, judges and lawyers to prosecute them in a full crown court.

    4. FuzzBuket on

      Jesus Christ.

      I completely empathize with sexual assault victims who’s cases can drag out, and how often jury trials can retraumatize them, especially if the jury doesn’t find enough evidence to convict. 

      And yeah we probably don’t need a month of trials if there’s cctv of someone nicking a bottle of wine.

      But the solution to that isn’t doing away with juries. That’s not justice. Fast track trials, or find ways to make victims more secure, but don’t do away with the rule of law..

      And I can’t help but think that this isn’t to do with the courts backlog of actual crime, but more the fact that a foreign arms company supplying weapons to a potential genocide had a spree of criminal damage that juries refused to convict. And then our govt started mass arresting peaceful protestors. (Ofc people attacking police should be arrested, but grannies and vandals shouldn’t be put up on terror charges)

      Does look a bit like starmers takeaway from his time in the justice system wasn’t faith in the rule of law, but that we ain’t authoritarian enough.

    5. caufield88uk on

      So they tried this in Scotland and it was shot down due to the absolute hatred for it from everyone except politicians

      Politicians will literally do everything but do fundamental fixing of the justice system

    6. bigarsebiscuit on

      >Drug dealers and career criminals were “laughing in the dock” knowing cases can take years to come to trial

      Reads a lot like ‘we and the party from who we take our cues have let the system atrophy. As a result, we will be removing a right that people in the country have had for half a millennium. Your liberties are a sacrifice we are willing to make’.

    7. OneAlexander on

      The backlog exists because of 14 years of Tory austerity, cutting the CPS, cutting funding to legal services, and closing courts (my county now has a single Crown Court).

      All of which will cost more money to restore to previous levels than was saved by cutting it.

      But of course our G7 economy is so heavily geared towards corporate finance that in practical terms we’re also constantly broke, so instead of trying to reverse the decline we’ll just cut centuries-old rights. God forbid we go against Reaganomics.

    8. lesterbottomley on

      Not sure how I feel about this tbh.

      Once upon a time I’d have been fully against it. Then I did jury service and now my biggest fear is being accused of something I didn’t do and end up in front of a jury.

      A jury of your peers is fine until you realise a large proportion of your peers are absolute arseholes.

      It was a case where there was no evidence, just one person’s word against a policeman. Had one who went guilty solely because “there’s no way a policeman would ever lie” and another who wouldn’t back down from their stance of “of course he did it, have you seen what he’s wearing”

      They eventually wore everyone but two of us down (people wanted to go home) and the judge accepted a majority 10-2 verdict.

      If you ever end up in court folks, definitely get yourself a suit.

    9. BourbonSn4ke on

      Frankly for cases which are slam dunk ie cctv catching criminals in the act don’t need a jury

      Those who request a jury is case by case and can be denied if its a slam dunk, for major cases like murder and rape etc juries are required unless slam dunk and confession

      Overall though we need to speed up the process by having more courts and also longer sentences with repeat offenders getting long and longer time, less time they are less time they can be criminals

    10. fujoshimoder on

      All of their arguments for why this is good and necessary rely on a presumption of guilt, which is antithetical to how our justice system is supposed to work.

      These people are awful.

    11. It’s slightly different in the US, but I always thought 12 Angry Men shows why juries are so important to our justice system. But if you dig into it, in real life that would have ended in a mistrial and at least one arrest, not for bringing the knife into court, but for having the audacity to check something out himself. Either we believe in juries and trust that the people will do the right thing, or we abolish them completely. What we have now is completely dishonest. I know it’s a weird hill to die on, but this one really bothers me.

    12. Rather than investing more money in more judges, more staff at the CPS and more staff in the CID the government wants to gut the right to a fair trial. Disgraceful. 

      This’ll go just like the rape trial reforms in Scotland – nowhere because no solicitor will support this. 

    13. slobberaxe on

      What bizzaro world have we ended up in with this supposed party of the Left determined to take away all our civil liberties piece by piece

    14. Aside from the fact that the jury is the last vestige of protection you have from the state, which is presumably why the government are disdainful of them, a lack of juries increases miscarriages of justice.

      The UK’s current miscarriage of justice rate is 3% compared to the range in Europe which goes up to 20% in some countries. The lowest comparable nation is the Netherlands, which has a rate of 9%.

      This is generally attributed to judges having more faith in prosecutors than the general public does, which leads to the acceptance of flimsier evidence. British judges are also not immune to this as polling has shown they would convict at higher rate than juries do (13-20%, a rate comparable to European judges).

      This is quite possibly one of the worst attacks on English liberty the government could mount. Also, like a lot of things they’re doing now, Labour tried doing this in the early 2000s and failed.

    15. as a lifelong labour voter, who has held in there as long as I can, I think this may be it. whats the point of labour if they undermine our rights and freedoms just like the tories do?

    16. Strider755 on

      I’m just going to throw this out here, as a Yank, that this was one of the principle grievances that the Thirteen Colonies had against George III:

      “He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws, by giving his assent to their acts of pretended legislation…*For depriving us, in many cases, of the benefits of trial by jury.”*

      This was referring specifically to the Navigation Acts, which specified that alleged breaches were to be tried in Admiralty courts, which did not have juries and had lower standards of evidence. The judges were paid out of the fines they collected, and naval officers got a reward for “successful” cases.

    17. “criminals opting for juries”

      What is this writing? If you haven’t been tried yet then you’re not a “criminal” yet are you?

    18. theworthog1 on

      Sorry, everyone involved in making their money from jury trials is opposed to it! Shock!

    19. Pitiful_Addendum_644 on

      No disrespect UK but it’s safe to say you guys aren’t much of a democracy anymore 💔

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