Il piano di pace in 28 punti di Trump non porterebbe la pace in Ucraina. Ecco perché

This plan is a pile of shit with cherry on top

The dumpf Putin reach around of cuckoldism

This isn’t a plan, it’s complete crap. “We recognize Ukraine’s sovereignty” was written by some degenerates.

US President Donald Trump has presented a 28-point peace proposal for Ukraine, aiming to secure Kyiv’s agreement by Thanksgiving, according to *The Wall Street Journal* on November 21. A plan that has already [faced](https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/trumps-peace-plan-for-ukraine-annotated-1685868b) critical assessments from multiple analysts, including WSJ itself.

The first major implication of the plan is the de facto legalization of Russian occupation. If implemented, the proposal would formally recognize Russia’s control over Crimea, Luhansk, and Donetsk, effectively locking millions of Ukrainian citizens inside annexed territories.

According to Ukraine’s military intelligence (HUR), the population of occupied Luhansk has dropped from 2.24 million in 2014 to 0.9 million in 2025, while occupied areas of Donetsk declined from 2.8 million in 2014 to 1.2 million in 2025.

Territorial provisions are among the most contentious. The United States would recognize Crimea, Donetsk, and Luhansk as de facto Russian territory, while the front lines in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia would become permanent demarcations.

Ukrainian forces would be required to withdraw from part of the Donetsk region, which would be designated a demilitarized buffer zone recognized as belonging to Russia. Moscow would not station troops in this area. Kyiv has repeatedly stated it will not accept any territorial concessions, warning that doing so would allow Russia to regroup and launch future offensives.

These October 2025 figures illustrate the scale of forced depopulation, displacement, and outflow caused by occupation — all of which the proposed agreement would legitimize internationally.

Another central element is the plan’s amnesty clause. Point 26 offers full legal immunity to all parties involved in the war, meaning that crimes such as torture, executions, filtration camps, enforced disappearances, and the deportation of more than 20,000 Ukrainian children would remain unpunished.

This provision would effectively halt ongoing international investigations and block future prosecutions of Russian military and political officials.

While Ukrainian officials acknowledge that near-term NATO membership is unlikely, they consider the alliance a long-term security goal. EU membership, by contrast, would remain an open path under the proposed terms. The Wall Street Journal notes that such a constitutional reversal would be politically sensitive and legally complex.

The proposal includes a conditional US security guarantee, offering a “decisive coordinated military response” in the event of future Russian aggression.

However, this guarantee would be revoked if Ukraine were to launch attacks inside Russia “without cause.” US officials have declined to specify what such a response would entail, and the plan does not include the deployment of a European security force—an idea reportedly abandoned due to Russian opposition.

Questions remain over the reliability and enforceability of such guarantees, particularly in the absence of allied troop deployments.

Economic provisions would see Russia gradually reintegrated into the global economy. Sanctions would be lifted in stages, and the US would enter into long-term cooperation with Russia across sectors including energy, artificial intelligence, and rare earth extraction. Russia would also be invited to rejoin the G8.

According to The Wall Street Journal, European leaders are likely to resist any such normalization without legal accountability for Russian leadership. Many governments have committed to ending imports of Russian fossil fuels by 2027 and oppose reengagement without justice mechanisms.

A deal would be a temporary cessation, pretexts will be found to restart the war sooner or later, and if ukraine is foolish enough to limit their armed forces they will lose big time.

We knew the us is on putin’s side now, time for europe to fill the void withvweaponry and cash.  Seriously western europe has better gear thsn russia it should not be an issue sign new joint contracts and donate old as new comes online or whatever.

This plan is perfect for Russia to recover and ramp up the military production. So in a few years they can attack again with a replenished military.

It’s a “good luck, Europe, you’re on your own with Russia” plan.

Feels like it would be only fair for USA to gift Ukraine a nuclear weapon after convincing them to disarm themselves which allowed Russia to try and invade them by force. Typical USA to make a mess and then pretend they have no responsibility of the mess.

Donald Trump has wanted to have a luxury hotel in Moscow since they held the Miss Universe beauty contest- due to the ability to provide a private space for billionaires to indulge themselves. He is likely looking to sign a deal with Putin in exchange for handing over Ukraine to Russia.

Putin´s 28-point “peace” plan means surrender and not peace. It gives him time to consolidate and attack again in a couple of years, that´s how they work.

is it because Ukraine would have to dismantle its army, couldn’t ever join NATO, and russia would be given land behind Ukrainian defensive positions? 😀

And Poland, Romania, and the Baltics will be next on a couple years.

It’s easy really, if we capitulate or will be defeated – 2 outcomes of trump idiotic peace deal it doesn’t mean only loss for Ukraine, no, its a loss for western democratic world, and the beginning of age of terrible wars all over.

It’s sad, but its a circle of life too, you see a lot of times people has to go through tremendous suffering in order to understand how to move forward, ( aka nazism is bad, communism is bad etc.). I believe its in our human nature, only when something hurt us we learn our lesson. So yeah millions will die in order for humanity to move forward, and loss of Ukraine will be only first small loss yall will experience.

God help you all, maybe he’ll help you at least, he obviously didn’t care much about us.