If the flag of your own country is racist to you, I think it may be a you problem more than anything else.
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beanVamGasit on
wtf
hamstar_potato on
Weren’t there interviews with ethnic minorities saying they’re not bothered by national flags?
frissio on
I thought it was saved a few decades ago, since the Saint George Flag were co-opted by neo-nazis in the 1970s. I myself had a few bad experiences with skinheads who loved it like the Norse Runes and the Celtic Cross.
However, in the early 2000s they seemed to have managed to shake that off. Is it back again to those times? That’s a bad sign.
Careless_Count7224 on
>England flag has become a racist symbol, say ethnic minority adults
Erm…it started to be used by racists decades ago…
Edit: loving the downvotes. I’m stating a literal and verifiable fact. Check out its use during the original Caribbean/Windrush migration.
Nukes-For-Nimbys on
Well go live somewhere else then.
PorkClaymore on
Suggest you move back to where your national flag doesn’t upset you then.
SayElloToDaBadGuy on
It’s an odd one, for an Englishmen that takes pride in ones country and flag is viewed as both wrong and racism.
But if you are Welsh, Scottish or Northern Irish that taking pride in your homeland and flag isn’t viewed the same.
Stoic_cave on
Hijacked like the Eurasia and Asia svastika
Broad_Yam6503 on
If you don’t like the flag of the country that hosts you, go back to your home, we won’t miss you
WaterdeepProdigy on
Using the St. George’s Cross instead of the Union Jack has been a dogwhistle for a very long time.
AdOriginal1084 on
*52% of ethnic minority adults say the St George’s flag is now a racist symbol*
Thats crazy high oh well ill continue to fly it with pride during footy tournaments and on st georges day i dont care what these people think.
MidlandPark on
People are not understanding what’s happened here.
England hasn’t used flags heavily, ever really. It only really comes out during major sporting events. However, the England flag was heavily used by white nationalists while intimidating minorities.
It stopped for a while, but in recent months, it’s happening again. Fans of ‘Tommy Robinson’ always do this, and of recent months, people started putting flags up everywhere on public property. Most of those people are on the *hard* right of the political spectrum in areas where Reform are often leading in the polls.
Most people, **minorities included don’t have a problem with the flag per se**, but as often with racism in the UK, there’s an intent behind a lot of it which isn’t friendly. You can normally tell the difference if you’re not being obtuse.
Listening to LBC (talk radio), you’ve got stories of people putting up literally hundreds of flags on lamp posts, trying to make a statement. While some have said, they then put up flags of other countries, like Ukraine, only to have it torn down.
Reform who now run Nottinghamshire County Council are spending £75k on putting flags up, while claiming actual essentials are a waste of money. This isn’t America, we know what country we’re in.
Saying that, I’ve had no problem with flags on government buildings or on a town square or something, but there’s a clear intent from some, and some media outlets are pretending there isn’t, gaslighting people who have a problem with said intent. England should be able to be proud of it’s flag, we just need it to be balanced.
VecchioDiM3rd1955 on
Belin!
tandemxylophone on
Context matters.
Flag in a football stadium? Go for it.
A National flag used as a dog whistle for a specific political party’s rhetoric? Racist.
It’s the reason why I’d say the military honouring the flag is valid (choice), but I’d hate the idea of daily flag honouring in schools.
tree_boom on
Context matters. There’s some footie thing going on? Absolutely no problem whatsoever. You’re one of those folks who just habitually flies the flag? Absolutely no problem whatsoever. But if you’re just throwing the flag all of a sudden up everywhere because you don’t like migration or Yaxley-Lennon told you to do it then yes, it’s becoming a racist symbol.
Thorazine_Chaser on
Meh. Flags are just like every other symbol, their meaning depends on their use.
England does not have a flag displaying culture compared to somewhere like the USA. Because of this the meaning of flag displaying, even though it is the national flag, can change quite easily. At the moment it has very much been adopted by the anti-immigration politic.
The upcoming Football world cup will put an end to that however.
The way to stop the national flag being usurped by causes is to adopt a national culture of flag displaying. It removes the ability for a cause to use the flag as a symbol.
Bright_Style4960 on
I hope no one is surprised why reform is leading the polls
ReasonablyImpulsive on
It’s the same in Czech and I’d imagine a lot of other countries.
Czech people only ever cared about the flag when it came to sporting events, until people started hanging Ukrainian flags in 2022.
Now when someone hangs a Czech flag you know who they are and what they’re about.
Crystal-Ammunition on
What woke bs is this
More_Ad_5142 on
Dumb dumb dumb. If the 3/4 of the home countries take pride in their flags, so should the English. The English is a thing you know, like a separate people. No need to cancel them for oversensitive people
Full_Tomorrow_2148 on
Anything I don’t like is <shuffles cards> *racist*.
(it could have been fascist, nazi, bigot)
SuggestionMedical736 on
This is kind of sad. This has been a trend with far-right extremists using the country’s flag for their evil and vile cause, and anyone who speaks out gets gaslit, with things like, Why? Don’t you like the flag?
I think the winning party in the Netherlands did it in an amazing way, when the centrist party, whose headquarters were destroyed only a couple of weeks before by these far-right criminals, won the election, everyone was waving the Dutch flag. That’s the message that we need to send. Don’t let your country’s flag and the pride of your nation be stolen by these racists.
RoseyOneOne on
How can the flag of a country be racist in that country.
jormvngandr on
Oh boy, what a time to be alive
kane_uk on
Perhaps English people are sick of seeing Palestinian flags, Pakistani flags etc which are often left alone when it comes to councils removing them.
It’s hard to ignore, as an Englishman our culture and way of life are slowly being eroded away by mass immigration and the complete lack of integration by people who in some respects don’t like our country and are intent on modelling it on theirs with all the fun that brings.
If you don’t like our flag you’re welcome to leave.
Tilladarling on
So what’s their solution? Replacing it with a crescent moon for inclusivity’s sake? 🙄
Boiling_warm on
Jesus Christ man… I’m proper left wing, but this is some woke ass bullshit
ViperHQ on
I mean this is probably a misrepresentation of the intent.
The issue is a lot of far right dipshits like the Tommy Robinson fans wave the flag whilst spewing hate towards minorities, doing this for long enough will of course wrap the minorities views of the flag from statehood to racism.
This isn’t even a new phenomenon and seems more like wanting to portrait minorities as some great haters of the nations they are living in and an attempt to fuel this far right hate crowd even further.
kaamliiha on
Man how screwed is this place really
If you don’t like the local flag, move back
If you don’t like your own flag and consider it racist, you’re done in the head mate
Nobody should fear their ancestry. UK internet police, double dare, come arrest me for this, I have means of defence you can’t even carry at work.
Psittacula2 on
The news media or politicians never mention the failure of direct democratic engagement in Mass Migration Policy over 30 years however and thus a CONSENSUS on:
* Total per annum
* Selection Criteria
* Overall Rate Flow eg per needed area priority
* Agreement between the people and the state via democracy on this policy
Instead in the Noughties,
* Little Englanders vs Global Multiculturalism aka “Cool Britannia” rebranding
Instead of political engagement there was executive directive.
Now let’s imagine the above had been done, do we think anyone would feel they had been disenfranchised by the state to the point of flag flying which remember is the first most serious people movement of widely visible protest against the above for 30 years or so?
So why did the State not choose democracy?
A couple of reasons:
* Population growth
* Sovereign Debt
In tandem with Global Agreements on Migration Flows above Nation level.
If we looked at a graph of total immigration since 1995-2025 and we had a nationwide poll on controlling migration numbers in this period, in reference to those numbers I am sure the public would majority be in favour of being franchised in this decision on this policy and voting for a regulated reduced flow…
And the result would be more positive in consideration of migration and migrants because of the agreed system with clear benefits freely and democratically included.
Ravesoull on
Yeah, like Belarusian white-red-white flag has become an extremist symbol… because tyranny said so.
Otherwise_String9977 on
England flag is not halal.
ClaptonOnH on
Fuck people that think like that. I’m so tired of this in Spain, i have a Spanish flag in my apartment and it doesn’t mean I’m a Franco nostalgic lol, I voted for Sánchez twice…
pacifistscorpion on
Reform is out in force today I see
What utter whinging all around in this comments section
unbelievablydull82 on
Growing up Irish in London during the 80s and 90s, my family and I had to put up with racist attacks regularly from English people. My mother even had a miscarriage after being attacked on our doorstep. I want the English flag to represent something good about the country, which it could in theory do, but it’s so tied up in racism, it feels incredibly difficult, particularly as the kind of nasty, vitriolic racism I grew up with is on the rise.
JaguarWitty9693 on
Sounds like the mass integration of millions of people from non-Western liberal cultures is going well.
hard-scaling on
it’s been for years, only time when I saw an English flag (as an Englishman) and not thought dodgy is during world cup
Pint_o_Bovril on
One the one hand, yes racists do tend to rally around national symbols.
On the other hand, so what? Sorry if you don’t like seeing it, but that’s no reason to take any action with regards to the flag itself. It’s our national flag, and it’s a source of pride and historical importance for our country (as with any country). So there’s not much we can do as a do with aside from continue to reject racist assholes and their views through our own actions.
AllRedLine on
I genuinely don’t care what they say. And not in a racist way, but in a ‘I’m not going to allow you to use your buzzword to stamp out my national identity’ sort of way.
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The crosses of St George are flying all around me
Gareth Southgate the whole of England is with you
Oh it’s saved, saved, saved!
If the flag of your own country is racist to you, I think it may be a you problem more than anything else.
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wtf
Weren’t there interviews with ethnic minorities saying they’re not bothered by national flags?
I thought it was saved a few decades ago, since the Saint George Flag were co-opted by neo-nazis in the 1970s. I myself had a few bad experiences with skinheads who loved it like the Norse Runes and the Celtic Cross.
However, in the early 2000s they seemed to have managed to shake that off. Is it back again to those times? That’s a bad sign.
>England flag has become a racist symbol, say ethnic minority adults
Erm…it started to be used by racists decades ago…
Edit: loving the downvotes. I’m stating a literal and verifiable fact. Check out its use during the original Caribbean/Windrush migration.
Well go live somewhere else then.
Suggest you move back to where your national flag doesn’t upset you then.
It’s an odd one, for an Englishmen that takes pride in ones country and flag is viewed as both wrong and racism.
But if you are Welsh, Scottish or Northern Irish that taking pride in your homeland and flag isn’t viewed the same.
Hijacked like the Eurasia and Asia svastika
If you don’t like the flag of the country that hosts you, go back to your home, we won’t miss you
Using the St. George’s Cross instead of the Union Jack has been a dogwhistle for a very long time.
*52% of ethnic minority adults say the St George’s flag is now a racist symbol*
Thats crazy high oh well ill continue to fly it with pride during footy tournaments and on st georges day i dont care what these people think.
People are not understanding what’s happened here.
England hasn’t used flags heavily, ever really. It only really comes out during major sporting events. However, the England flag was heavily used by white nationalists while intimidating minorities.
It stopped for a while, but in recent months, it’s happening again. Fans of ‘Tommy Robinson’ always do this, and of recent months, people started putting flags up everywhere on public property. Most of those people are on the *hard* right of the political spectrum in areas where Reform are often leading in the polls.
Most people, **minorities included don’t have a problem with the flag per se**, but as often with racism in the UK, there’s an intent behind a lot of it which isn’t friendly. You can normally tell the difference if you’re not being obtuse.
Listening to LBC (talk radio), you’ve got stories of people putting up literally hundreds of flags on lamp posts, trying to make a statement. While some have said, they then put up flags of other countries, like Ukraine, only to have it torn down.
Reform who now run Nottinghamshire County Council are spending £75k on putting flags up, while claiming actual essentials are a waste of money. This isn’t America, we know what country we’re in.
Saying that, I’ve had no problem with flags on government buildings or on a town square or something, but there’s a clear intent from some, and some media outlets are pretending there isn’t, gaslighting people who have a problem with said intent. England should be able to be proud of it’s flag, we just need it to be balanced.
Belin!
Context matters.
Flag in a football stadium? Go for it.
A National flag used as a dog whistle for a specific political party’s rhetoric? Racist.
It’s the reason why I’d say the military honouring the flag is valid (choice), but I’d hate the idea of daily flag honouring in schools.
Context matters. There’s some footie thing going on? Absolutely no problem whatsoever. You’re one of those folks who just habitually flies the flag? Absolutely no problem whatsoever. But if you’re just throwing the flag all of a sudden up everywhere because you don’t like migration or Yaxley-Lennon told you to do it then yes, it’s becoming a racist symbol.
Meh. Flags are just like every other symbol, their meaning depends on their use.
England does not have a flag displaying culture compared to somewhere like the USA. Because of this the meaning of flag displaying, even though it is the national flag, can change quite easily. At the moment it has very much been adopted by the anti-immigration politic.
The upcoming Football world cup will put an end to that however.
The way to stop the national flag being usurped by causes is to adopt a national culture of flag displaying. It removes the ability for a cause to use the flag as a symbol.
I hope no one is surprised why reform is leading the polls
It’s the same in Czech and I’d imagine a lot of other countries.
Czech people only ever cared about the flag when it came to sporting events, until people started hanging Ukrainian flags in 2022.
Now when someone hangs a Czech flag you know who they are and what they’re about.
What woke bs is this
Dumb dumb dumb. If the 3/4 of the home countries take pride in their flags, so should the English. The English is a thing you know, like a separate people. No need to cancel them for oversensitive people
Anything I don’t like is <shuffles cards> *racist*.
(it could have been fascist, nazi, bigot)
This is kind of sad. This has been a trend with far-right extremists using the country’s flag for their evil and vile cause, and anyone who speaks out gets gaslit, with things like, Why? Don’t you like the flag?
I think the winning party in the Netherlands did it in an amazing way, when the centrist party, whose headquarters were destroyed only a couple of weeks before by these far-right criminals, won the election, everyone was waving the Dutch flag. That’s the message that we need to send. Don’t let your country’s flag and the pride of your nation be stolen by these racists.
How can the flag of a country be racist in that country.
Oh boy, what a time to be alive
Perhaps English people are sick of seeing Palestinian flags, Pakistani flags etc which are often left alone when it comes to councils removing them.
It’s hard to ignore, as an Englishman our culture and way of life are slowly being eroded away by mass immigration and the complete lack of integration by people who in some respects don’t like our country and are intent on modelling it on theirs with all the fun that brings.
If you don’t like our flag you’re welcome to leave.
So what’s their solution? Replacing it with a crescent moon for inclusivity’s sake? 🙄
Jesus Christ man… I’m proper left wing, but this is some woke ass bullshit
I mean this is probably a misrepresentation of the intent.
The issue is a lot of far right dipshits like the Tommy Robinson fans wave the flag whilst spewing hate towards minorities, doing this for long enough will of course wrap the minorities views of the flag from statehood to racism.
This isn’t even a new phenomenon and seems more like wanting to portrait minorities as some great haters of the nations they are living in and an attempt to fuel this far right hate crowd even further.
Man how screwed is this place really
If you don’t like the local flag, move back
If you don’t like your own flag and consider it racist, you’re done in the head mate
Nobody should fear their ancestry. UK internet police, double dare, come arrest me for this, I have means of defence you can’t even carry at work.
The news media or politicians never mention the failure of direct democratic engagement in Mass Migration Policy over 30 years however and thus a CONSENSUS on:
* Total per annum
* Selection Criteria
* Overall Rate Flow eg per needed area priority
* Agreement between the people and the state via democracy on this policy
Instead in the Noughties,
* Little Englanders vs Global Multiculturalism aka “Cool Britannia” rebranding
Instead of political engagement there was executive directive.
Now let’s imagine the above had been done, do we think anyone would feel they had been disenfranchised by the state to the point of flag flying which remember is the first most serious people movement of widely visible protest against the above for 30 years or so?
So why did the State not choose democracy?
A couple of reasons:
* Population growth
* Sovereign Debt
In tandem with Global Agreements on Migration Flows above Nation level.
If we looked at a graph of total immigration since 1995-2025 and we had a nationwide poll on controlling migration numbers in this period, in reference to those numbers I am sure the public would majority be in favour of being franchised in this decision on this policy and voting for a regulated reduced flow…
And the result would be more positive in consideration of migration and migrants because of the agreed system with clear benefits freely and democratically included.
Yeah, like Belarusian white-red-white flag has become an extremist symbol… because tyranny said so.
England flag is not halal.
Fuck people that think like that. I’m so tired of this in Spain, i have a Spanish flag in my apartment and it doesn’t mean I’m a Franco nostalgic lol, I voted for Sánchez twice…
Reform is out in force today I see
What utter whinging all around in this comments section
Growing up Irish in London during the 80s and 90s, my family and I had to put up with racist attacks regularly from English people. My mother even had a miscarriage after being attacked on our doorstep. I want the English flag to represent something good about the country, which it could in theory do, but it’s so tied up in racism, it feels incredibly difficult, particularly as the kind of nasty, vitriolic racism I grew up with is on the rise.
Sounds like the mass integration of millions of people from non-Western liberal cultures is going well.
it’s been for years, only time when I saw an English flag (as an Englishman) and not thought dodgy is during world cup
One the one hand, yes racists do tend to rally around national symbols.
On the other hand, so what? Sorry if you don’t like seeing it, but that’s no reason to take any action with regards to the flag itself. It’s our national flag, and it’s a source of pride and historical importance for our country (as with any country). So there’s not much we can do as a do with aside from continue to reject racist assholes and their views through our own actions.
I genuinely don’t care what they say. And not in a racist way, but in a ‘I’m not going to allow you to use your buzzword to stamp out my national identity’ sort of way.