La controversia su Herzog Park porta alla richiesta di rimuovere i nomi delle strade con origini dell’impero britannico
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/we-should-be-reclaiming-the-city-calls-to-decolonise-dublin-to-remove-street-names-with-british-empire-origins/a1972742722.html
di struggling_farmer
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It seems a can of worms has been opened with renaming places & buildings..
how do we put the lid back on?
Surely more important thing to be working on.
Jesus fuck
Well this is the thing, you can’t go on about renaming a tiny park but ignore street names like Nassau Street, Wellington Quay, Queen Street, King Street etc
Calls from who? Sound like a cooked up sinario to subtract credibility from zionist fucktards that are annoyed about the inevitability of Herzog park being renamed one way or another.
Utterly ludicrous, almost Stalinist.
We laughed at the Yanks and Brits over this shite and here we are.
If you’re offended by the name of a street or park you are the problem, morons.
Can open, worms everywhere; what a collosal waste of time and resources this would prove to be once the extent of the “not Irish” names was revealed. A non controversy, now elongated by those with nothing but time and ideology to waste.
> Could we rename like Beresford Place there where Liberty Hall is? Surely that should be called Connolly Place after James Connolly with the statue [across the road]
This could lead to a lot of visitors to Dublin missing their trains, I reckon.
More valuable time wasted on non matters.
Does Irish history now start in 1921?
There are still a handful of roads here with Cromwells name in them. He basically killed a quarter of all Irish people that lived in Ireland at that time.
The problem here is we don’t fucking name any street after anything other than revolutionary leaders or dead poets and writers and even the later is rare nowadays. You will get “the Park”, “the Crescent” “Seven Oaks” or whatever as street names for half of fucking Dublin and yet you can’t have “Rory Gallagher street” or “Van Morrison Way”, I’d take “Damien Rice Road” over whatever the fuck soulless fucking street name they make next. The rules on street names require that they have local or historical importance, I’d think some of the names of stuff pre-Independence has a lot more relevance than calling an estate “Mariner’s Point”. Why are we fucking allergic to celebrating anyone who has done fucking anything in the last 100 years. I’d take a school named after Bono than the 1000th fucking primary school called “St Brigid’s National School”.
“History is a symptom of our disease.”
Why are we so late to this discourse? It’s like I’m living in 2019 US and UK. Sure rename anything with saint at the beginning as the Catholic Church did horrific stuff.
Don’t see the point of all this. Seems like a bunch of people with little time on their hands.
Meh. We’ll go through cycles of this when peope’s attention gets drawn to it and someone gets a bee in their bonnet to push for change because they decided they don’t like the image or association a name has.
Dun Laoghaire is no longer Kingstown, we still have Westmoreland street.
Montgomery Street that was is now Foley Street; Gloucester Street is Sean McDermott street.
The corpo broke their own rules by naming a park after a person to begin with, so the park name change proposal is an easier sell if they focused on that.
Demanding completion or “consistency” on “decolonizing” place names that reflect the history of a place that experienced centuries of colonial rule is silly both as a goal and as a rhetorical blocker for a requested place name change.
I love Herzogs films and documentaries. I never knew he was so divisive.
Oh great, the quest for purity has re-opened. Someone take in the statues outside the Shelbourne again.
Just leave the street names as they are. Nobody gives a fuck about this!
If you’re going to “cancel” the Duke of Wellington in Ireland, you also need to rename the Shelbourne Hotel. Both Wellington and Shelbourne were born in Ireland, but served in the British Army.
PS wait till they find out what “RDS” is short for ..!
Oh fuck off. Jesus wept rename half the city then? I swear to God it’s like everything revolves around the same opinions you would hear at a student union politics meeting. Like is there actually anyone who is pissed off at the fact Dublin has British street names? Is that actually something that goes through peoples heads on the regular?
> Could we rename like Beresford Place there where Liberty Hall is? Surely that should be called Connolly Place after James Connolly with the statue [across the road]
The most unimaginable renaming with Connolly train station being less than 500m away.
There is only a debate amongst those with too much time on their hands for idle thought. Of all the issues Dublin is facing, and this lot are worried about street names.
Fucking ridiculousness and overreaching from both the left and the right. These motions and acts cost a lot of taxpayer money. Tens of thousands is spent on this shit for zero good reasons. We have a Shalom park in Cork, should we rename that too? Who gives a shit what the name of the place is.
Years ago I lived in South Africa. There was a cliff ridge the neighbours called “Mzilikazi’s Krantz”. Mzilikazi was Shaka Zulu’s genocidal general. His name literally makes people shudder still.
I asked one of the neighbours, a Tswana woman, how she felt about their version of Cromwell being commemorated. She said it was important. The kids ask about the name and the stories of the Zulu conquest live on.
There’s a Cromwell’s bridge not far from.my house and I often think about it. The mass murder and cultural genocide and death of our true culture. The name doesn’t make me want to lionize him. But it is a powerful name.
I think some people of a certain political stripe assume they can control culture and how it evolves by erasing the “bad” (not trendy) parts of history. They use cherry picked history as a political manipulation tool.
Its a mistake to assume every commemoration is a commendation.
Fuck this guy whoever he is.
What will we rename Buckingham Street in D1..?
Hutch Heights, perhaps?
A lot of people don’t realise that all the train stations named after 1916 figures didn’t become that until there was a wave of re naming around the 50th anniversary. It didn’t cause the country to crumble and I think the station names are liked by most people. Why not rename streets/parks etc? The only reason there’s a lot of streets etc named after aristocrats or monarchs is that the aristocrats owned and built those streets or because local councils were boot licking the current king/Queen. If we still did that we’d have shit like BAM Avenue.
People get over changes. They’re our streets, we ought to name them how we like in a democratic and thought out manner.
Can we ‘remove’ the thought police left winger zealots who suggested this, from our country?
Dublin was a city founded by norsemen who raped and pillaged. burn the place to the ground /s
where do you stop…
This is stupid, we won, leave the names alone.
Personally, I’d like to see the renaming of streets with British royal or aristocratic names.
In Cork the business people are trying to create an area named after the famine queen. They are pushing that the area around McCurtain St. (named after Tomás McCurtain) be called the Victorian Quarter. 🤮
It’s not an official term but they’ve somehow gotten it so show up on Google Maps.
Couldn’t we just learn from these things? We can teach history instead of erasing it.
It was named after X because public perception at the time was Y, it later turned out X was actually a massive Z.
We should’ve done this decades ago.
But the second best time to start something is now. Let’s get it.
Calls from whom?Does this not open a whole host of issues related to property deeds ect?
If you renamed every street named after murdering, cheating bastards there would be practically no street names left. You don’t achieve power, wealth and prominence by being a nice person nor do you conquer countries by politeness – we were a colonial territory for a long time (like lots of other nations) and while we don’t like it, it’s a fact so large swathes of our names come from that era and so what? We shouldn’t forget where we come from – and performative nonsense like changing street names attracts the kind of people who don’t want to address the actual problems we have – homelessness, poverty, a war in Ukraine and genocide in Palestine won’t be address by this nonsense
Naming places after people is a bad idea. You might get away with it if they’re in the grave long enough. It was a great idea move with the new Irish state’s coins to use native animals to Ireland and an artistic symbol like the harp. That stood us well coming out of a time of civil war. Whatever about what’s already existing in naming places, going forward I think it would be better to look at naming places after things which have an Irish connection, have some distinctive quality to them, and are not likely to come attached with all the problems and complications of human beings.
Naming places after people is a bad idea. You might get away with it if they’re in the grave long enough. It was a great move with the new Irish state’s coins to use animals native to Ireland and an artistic symbol like the harp. That stood us well coming out of a time of division and civil war. Whatever about what’s already existing in the naming of places, going forward I think it would be better to look at naming places after things which have an Irish connection, with some distinctive quality to them, and are not likely to come encumbered at some point with all the problems and complications of human beings.
If we get into this it’ll be endless performative outrage. Just leave them alone.
This is beyond stupid. These places are important parts of our history whereas Chaim Herzog is not.
Ah just seems like a distraction, Hinds Park has a nicer ring to it
You guys should copy the Aussies and name it with a bit humour, like the Harold Holt swimming pool, named after the PM that drowned