L’UE cerca di convincere gli Stati Uniti a non ritirare le truppe dall’Europa

It’s going to happen anyway, the United States has, as main priorities, the safety of Taiwan and Israel, as said many times, for obvious reasons, or even some raids in its “backyard” or in other continents, even. The earlier European countries realise it, the better.

Besides, it’s not that the USA is looking like a reliable ally.

Tbf this might be a good thing. European countries will finally have to take their own defence seriously and not freeload on the US anymore. And they might finally stop buying US equipment just to buy US protection, and finally build their own stuff, or at least buy from other european countries. I only see positives in this.

It’d be good news, if Europe were even remotely ready to fill this massive void in their security and pull its own weight, which it basically stopped doing when cold war ended.

There are very few armies in Europe that’d actually be ready to wage a real war of any kind. Armies that have the manpower, readiness to take serious losses, ability to replace casualties from a large reserve, logistics involved in huge troop movements, resupply etc. Those things just aren’t there.

Even now, nobody in central Europe is even speaking of restoring mandatory military service. Almost nobody in Europe is even remotely ready to fight in a real war of any kind. Finland is some sort of massive regional giant in this regard, and that is so fucking horrible. We’re a small country, we should not be able to appear large in comparsion to various central European nations with 20 x our population. Fuck.

Europe is ..what, at least 10 years away from being credible enough to have some sort of preventive dimension that makes russia ” think twice”. Assuming it spends 10 years working to build such. That’d involve some massive change in way normal people and average voters across Europe approach security, self defense, European unity. I’m not sure what it takes to even begin such progress.

The US is going to give Russia a Ukerainian victory. Russians have said that next is Eastern EU, particularly Balkins, Finland and Poland. Given the US opinion of Russia, it’s no surprise that they want to get out of Europe.

And no, the US will not defend Taiwan either. That would mean upsetting China.

At this point, why? Let them leave. It’ll take time and we can build the military we have.

It sucks to be losing the USA, but if we can’t trust they are going to be on our side on things like Ukraine… what’s even the point?

Anyone have the Bloomberg article? The linked article doesn’t show many details. I don’t mind reducing US bases and presence in EU and ramping up our own militaries. Reinforcements for Romania shouldn’t take weeks.

I also don’t believe the US wants to leave EU entirely because they have some important strategic bases here.

Relax, let the Americans go. But at the same time, they must be informed that from this point on, Europe will have no obligations to the US. We are abandoning the primacy of the dollar, American corporations will be treated like any other, and the embargo on Iranian oil will be lifted. And a clear declaration that in the event of a conflict between China and the US, Europe will remain completely neutral.

The UK had 50k troops in Germany in WW2. If the Americans leave then why not take their place and station 20-30k there. Blend in the RAF and Army.

This Situation is not for headlines – it’s for actions. For nearly 4 years everyone has been trying to “make sense of things” stop reading BS headlines and look at hard facts. Does Europe need to step up and pull their weight? Yes. Is the apocalypse nigh with the US starting to behave like a drunk bully? Not yet … build your own reliable systems and get moving….

Lol.

Europeans underspent on defense for decades and let their militaries become weak. Europeans laughed at the idea of quitting Russian gas. Europeans didn’t take NATO seriously. Spain STILL doesn’t take NATO seriously lmao.

And you guys wonder why America doesn’t be involved anymore. Europeans are unreliable allies and are projecting their failures onto the United States.

Considering the state of many European armies,  I can see why a rapid draw- down would raise concerns in the short term. 

However,  we must rapidly re arm and become masters in our own house. 

As an American/European (dual identity but via Ireland), i think regardless of whether Kamala or Trump, Europe has been over due for being more independent from the US and having its own capable forces that can be readily deployed. I know Europe has in general a large military and many countries are very well equipped and armed. But its not the same thing. And in the wake of Rissia annexing Crimea theres still not been any large movement to address it ourselves. Theres of course many nuances and complications with voters and general society of wanting to re arm and increase military spending, but not having a stronger, unified force is not possible anymore.

And sentiment in the US to keep soldiers all around the world, let alone Europe, while we “pay” for it is definitely decreasing. This is of course not how it works but its how many voters in the US think of it. Trump only really has accelerated this idea, although in the worst way possible. I domt think any of whats happening now is at all the optimal or best way to increase European capabilities and rely less om US troops presence and protection.

Europe has a lot of its own problems. Many of which the US started to have many many years ago. I think re-arming is one of the easier problems to solve. Especially with the current shifting of power. Europe not standing up to Russian aggression in the last 3 years is making it worse. The US helped a lot but it was never going to have the same stake or will to intervene that Europe has. And its not like Russia is wiping the floor with Ukraine. I dunno. . Its sub optimal for everyone thats not a war mongering leader right now.

Like normal so many terrible Reddit takes in this thread. It’s like hypocrisy, whiplash, double speak, and goal posts moving all at once.

If all it takes for you to consider someone “not an ally” is 2 years of BS and restrictions. Plenty of you need to look at your relationships at home. So many of you engaged in the purest form of xenophobia and hatred against Americans for the better part of a decade. So much so the next generation does it like it’s normal. Kinda like the racism. It’s always been “the US isn’t the world police”. Now they are leaving and you’re finding a way to blame them. Blame its people. Which is ironic because we should have qualms with the US government. The Americans should have anger towards Europeans.

You people need to get a grip and realize the vacuum is gone. The let’s hate and make fun of Americans, while clearly benefiting from them is gone. The let’s talk down on their culture and flaws while having raging problems of our own. 1600 people obviously isn’t the whole of Europe but it’s a great sample size. You can’t demand no more US influence, get what you demand, then claim they are allies are you hate them even more for doing what you’ve demanded.