What’s worse is if people genuinely want to consume them.
Liam-DGOL on
> Waterstones would stock books created using artificial intelligence, the company’s boss has said, as long as they were clearly labelled, and if customers wanted them.
Clearly labelled huh
crapusername47 on
Bookshops at airports and train stations have been selling generic romance novels written by authors barely removed from Orwellian novel writing machines for decades now.
Having these books be spat out by an LLM is scarcely a change.
Is there any kind of regulation that enforces a disclaimer on the book + advertising that the book is AI written?
While I’m not opposed to AI being used as a tool, I feel it prudent to know if the material I am extracting information from is written by a human or an algorithm.
doctorgibson on
Big deal, Al Gore hasn’t written a book in nearly 10 years
mildly_houseplant on
Yeah, no. Never buying from Waterstones ever again the day they start selling AI books.
LeftAndRightAreWrong on
A non story. As long as the author is written on the book, you know what you are getting.
PikaBlue on
Why buy a book written by AI when a customer equally could just get an AI to write the book for them, and read it from that?
Big messaging issue here with Waterstones, they realistically should be pushing that AI can’t replicate the human touch in writing to preserve their overall image.
zerocaffine on
James Daunt undercutting the book trade to make a quick buck? im stunned by this development
Wipedout89 on
I read the recent Richard Osman book and to be honest it felt like it was already written by AI
FlaviousTiberius on
Literally who would buy a book written by AI? Just use it to write your own if you want AI slop.
Psittacula2 on
“Winds of Winter – Massive Launch – Out in time for Xmas Stocking Filler! Hurray Before They Sell Out!”
You know, I can see the business appeal here…
IfYouRun on
I truly don’t think anyone wants this or would buy them. Books are leas disposable than other media, and people who read tend to be people who care about the human aspect of these things.
GeorgeToTheC on
realistically the bubble will burst and reform where WE dont need to buy the ai books instead we can prompt and read our own.
yes you can try and sell it but the market should match the effort and be for pennies if anything.
then real writers would be existing just as much because the novelty of real will hold true.
Books have always been a closed shop for the most part, fighting to get published. So if you want to fight back dont go against the retailer go against the publisher
de-tree-fiddy on
Authors aren’t a protected class, they don’t get to be immune from automation.
Dry_Acadia_9312 on
I think businesses need to be careful with AI in creative spaces, I can see this backfiring badly. This could kill industries, that intrinsically rely on people’s appreciation of human creativity.
Von_Uber on
Why on earth would you want to read a book written by AI.
Sean_Campbell on
AI would be far better at replacing book recommendations by drawing on the vast data provided by e.g. Goodreads and Amazon to find comp & overlapping titles & therefore provide a better purchase experience than Waterstones. It can’t be truly creative (even if it can mimic established patterns reasonably well) but it can spot trends in data.
In some ways AI is both problem and solution. It creates a glut of content that makes it very difficult for humans to stand out among millions of new books each month.. but also has the ability to sift through that mountain in a way no human ever could. I’d rather skip tit all entirely, save the electricity, not have a fluffed-up AI stock market, etc. but alas that horse has well and truly bolted.
phillhb on
This raises a bigger question over what is art? In order to create art you have to have a soul and be Fallible … LLM’s are Fallible though 😂
Sdfgh28 on
What a misleading headline:
“Waterstones would stock books created using artificial intelligence, the company’s boss has said, as long as they were clearly labelled, and if customers wanted them.
However, James Daunt, a veteran of the bookselling industry, said he personally did not expect that to happen.
“There’s a huge proliferation of AI-generated content and most of it are not books that we should be selling,” he said, but added it would be “up to the reader”.”
GayWolfey on
That headline.
I actually listened to the interview. He actually said. As long as the books were clearly labelled as written by AI then it’s up to the public if they wanted to buy one. I would not sell a book that wasn’t clearly labelled.
yetanotherdave2 on
Why wouldn’t you just use AI to write your own books at home?
UnratedRamblings on
Beeb engaging in rage-bait headlines…
The first quote from Daunt is this:
> “There’s a huge proliferation of AI-generated content and most of it are not books that we should be selling,” he said, but added it would be “up to the reader”.
And they have a policy of sorts to keep AI out of stores as much as they can:
> Daunt said while Waterstones uses AI for logistics they currently try to keep AI-generated content out of the shops.
Of course it’s not like an AI “author” would openly confess to having used AI now if it would actively impact sales negatively right? They would be ***totally*** transparent about it right??? RIGHT? /s just in case.
Best-Hovercraft-5494 on
What a misrepresentation of what he said. I listened to the interview and all he said what that people prefer real authors and they would ID AI books as AI drafted. If I were him I’m be Trumping the BBC at the mo.
Cheap_Sort_2481 on
who genuinely wants this??? we want AI robots who clean, not take over the arts ffs
Extension_Point5466 on
I feel that Britain needs to develop its own AI or this situation where a lot of our consumer spending goes to America is going to get much worse, as AI takes over every industry. Like how Amazon is effectively stealing much of the UKs consumer tax revenue and siphoning it to America or every coffee bought in starbucks sends money out of our economy
TheGardenBlinked on
Cool, I’ll get onto it this weekend and pitch them to this nump until he accepts. /s
Cirias on
I’m hoping what will happen is readers will shun them, we may have a scary few years where authors are worried about their jobs but then things will reset, kind of like what happened with bookshops at the advent of the e-reader, but in the end it turns out customers wanted both physical and electronic.
benl5442 on
Of course they will. There is no line. Like if I got it to do research but types it out, is that AI? Where is the line? There isn’t one that isn’t easily gamed. It’s like regulating fog.
It’s the sorites paradox. When does a grain of sand become a heap. Well, when does AI assisted become AI authored?
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What’s worse is if people genuinely want to consume them.
> Waterstones would stock books created using artificial intelligence, the company’s boss has said, as long as they were clearly labelled, and if customers wanted them.
Clearly labelled huh
Bookshops at airports and train stations have been selling generic romance novels written by authors barely removed from Orwellian novel writing machines for decades now.
Having these books be spat out by an LLM is scarcely a change.
As for labelling them, we could just give them [yellow spines](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giallo).
Is there any kind of regulation that enforces a disclaimer on the book + advertising that the book is AI written?
While I’m not opposed to AI being used as a tool, I feel it prudent to know if the material I am extracting information from is written by a human or an algorithm.
Big deal, Al Gore hasn’t written a book in nearly 10 years
Yeah, no. Never buying from Waterstones ever again the day they start selling AI books.
A non story. As long as the author is written on the book, you know what you are getting.
Why buy a book written by AI when a customer equally could just get an AI to write the book for them, and read it from that?
Big messaging issue here with Waterstones, they realistically should be pushing that AI can’t replicate the human touch in writing to preserve their overall image.
James Daunt undercutting the book trade to make a quick buck? im stunned by this development
I read the recent Richard Osman book and to be honest it felt like it was already written by AI
Literally who would buy a book written by AI? Just use it to write your own if you want AI slop.
“Winds of Winter – Massive Launch – Out in time for Xmas Stocking Filler! Hurray Before They Sell Out!”
You know, I can see the business appeal here…
I truly don’t think anyone wants this or would buy them. Books are leas disposable than other media, and people who read tend to be people who care about the human aspect of these things.
realistically the bubble will burst and reform where WE dont need to buy the ai books instead we can prompt and read our own.
yes you can try and sell it but the market should match the effort and be for pennies if anything.
then real writers would be existing just as much because the novelty of real will hold true.
Books have always been a closed shop for the most part, fighting to get published. So if you want to fight back dont go against the retailer go against the publisher
Authors aren’t a protected class, they don’t get to be immune from automation.
I think businesses need to be careful with AI in creative spaces, I can see this backfiring badly. This could kill industries, that intrinsically rely on people’s appreciation of human creativity.
Why on earth would you want to read a book written by AI.
AI would be far better at replacing book recommendations by drawing on the vast data provided by e.g. Goodreads and Amazon to find comp & overlapping titles & therefore provide a better purchase experience than Waterstones. It can’t be truly creative (even if it can mimic established patterns reasonably well) but it can spot trends in data.
In some ways AI is both problem and solution. It creates a glut of content that makes it very difficult for humans to stand out among millions of new books each month.. but also has the ability to sift through that mountain in a way no human ever could. I’d rather skip tit all entirely, save the electricity, not have a fluffed-up AI stock market, etc. but alas that horse has well and truly bolted.
This raises a bigger question over what is art? In order to create art you have to have a soul and be Fallible … LLM’s are Fallible though 😂
What a misleading headline:
“Waterstones would stock books created using artificial intelligence, the company’s boss has said, as long as they were clearly labelled, and if customers wanted them.
However, James Daunt, a veteran of the bookselling industry, said he personally did not expect that to happen.
“There’s a huge proliferation of AI-generated content and most of it are not books that we should be selling,” he said, but added it would be “up to the reader”.”
That headline.
I actually listened to the interview. He actually said. As long as the books were clearly labelled as written by AI then it’s up to the public if they wanted to buy one. I would not sell a book that wasn’t clearly labelled.
Why wouldn’t you just use AI to write your own books at home?
Beeb engaging in rage-bait headlines…
The first quote from Daunt is this:
> “There’s a huge proliferation of AI-generated content and most of it are not books that we should be selling,” he said, but added it would be “up to the reader”.
And they have a policy of sorts to keep AI out of stores as much as they can:
> Daunt said while Waterstones uses AI for logistics they currently try to keep AI-generated content out of the shops.
Of course it’s not like an AI “author” would openly confess to having used AI now if it would actively impact sales negatively right? They would be ***totally*** transparent about it right??? RIGHT? /s just in case.
What a misrepresentation of what he said. I listened to the interview and all he said what that people prefer real authors and they would ID AI books as AI drafted. If I were him I’m be Trumping the BBC at the mo.
who genuinely wants this??? we want AI robots who clean, not take over the arts ffs
I feel that Britain needs to develop its own AI or this situation where a lot of our consumer spending goes to America is going to get much worse, as AI takes over every industry. Like how Amazon is effectively stealing much of the UKs consumer tax revenue and siphoning it to America or every coffee bought in starbucks sends money out of our economy
Cool, I’ll get onto it this weekend and pitch them to this nump until he accepts. /s
I’m hoping what will happen is readers will shun them, we may have a scary few years where authors are worried about their jobs but then things will reset, kind of like what happened with bookshops at the advent of the e-reader, but in the end it turns out customers wanted both physical and electronic.
Of course they will. There is no line. Like if I got it to do research but types it out, is that AI? Where is the line? There isn’t one that isn’t easily gamed. It’s like regulating fog.
It’s the sorites paradox. When does a grain of sand become a heap. Well, when does AI assisted become AI authored?