Chi crede davvero che la Russia perderà in Ucraina?” Le controverse osservazioni di Bart De Wever raggiungono l’Europa dell’Est
https://www.rtl.be/actu/belgique/politique/qui-croit-vraiment-que-la-russie-va-perdre-en-ukraine-les-propos-controverses-de/2025-12-05/article/772594
di Boomtown_Rat
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With allies like him, who needs enemies?
>Ce n’est même pas souhaitable qu’elle perde et que l’instabilité s’installe dans un pays qui a des armes nucléaires
What the fuck Bart
I think he expressed himself pretty carelessly there – but I’d say the point is that it will end in a negotiated settlement; and probably not in a defeat of Russia. The Ukrainians have managed to slow them down, yes, but ultimately they still have a shitton of nukes, right? They’re not disappearing. They’re going to be around to demand their money back and make our lives very difficult through international courts.
And so European solidarity is absolutely essential if they want us to take their frozen assets at Euroclear.
The same way the Americans lost in Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam. The same way Russia lost in Afghanistan.
Let us stop mythologizing Russia. They are trying to erase Ukrainian identity, kidnapping children, bombing civilian infrastructure like blowing up the hydroelectric dam, holding nuclear facilities hostage. This is not the first time nor the last. Remember them gassing their own citizens during the Chechen crisis. Remember them supporting the Syrian dictator. And innumerable other actions that totally disregard international law.
Russia doesn’t understand soft power and believe their own legend. If they could overrun Ukraine, it would’ve happened already.
I feel for the Russian soldiers used as cannon fodder, when snatched from the street.
What do our values mean if we just let an imperialistic and authoritarian country attack a sovereign state that want to follow its own path? We should support the Ukrainians as much as we can materially, intelligence wise,…
I have my critiques of Bartje and his partij, but I do have to applaud him for standing ground here. He’s a historian, he knows what this could mean for Europe in the long term.
Long term thinking does not work well in war though, especially not when incentives are stacked against you as a politician: here Bartje is doing the same thing, tbh, thinking about his voter base, just like Germany et al are. Belgium could be wrecked so we are against it, but the other nation states don’t want to lay out the obvious: we are at war and need to increase resources, because voter punishment.
Props to Bartje, and I am afraid of what’s to come
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McrEOZo1kS8&list=RDMcrEOZo1kS8&start_radio=1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McrEOZo1kS8&list=RDMcrEOZo1kS8&start_radio=1)
I don’t think he’s wrong, but it was at least “not strategic”.
We’ve got a Flemish Orban on our hands. The fact that he is flailing this hard against the WHOLE REST of the EU (besides Orban and Fico) means he’s not cut out for this job. These arguments have been expressed for years now and prove wrong several times allready by much more emminent historians, policians and acts on the ground then Bart De Wever can even hope to achieve.