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    3. Jon_J_ on

      “Of course, we are able to ban things for children if they’re bad for them, if there’s evidence, as there is with smoking for example.

      “The difference here is that this is being implemented without any evidence presented,” he said.

      You have to have your head completely in the sand if you don’t see the negative effects that social media has on kids

    4. Key_Duck_6293 on

      “This move involves explicitly banning a group of people from taking actions, which are free for other people to do on the basis of their age.

      “Of course, we are able to ban things for children if they’re bad for them, if there’s evidence, as there is with smoking for example.

      “The difference here is that this is being implemented without any evidence presented,”

      How TF has this solicitor (who is confident enough to speak to the national broadcaster about this issue) not seen the plethora of evidence out there about social media harming childrens mental health?

    5. flemishbiker88 on

      I believe that instead of a ban based on age verification, I would like the platforms to be properly regulated and heavily penalized and criminalized for their predatory behavior, such as when young girls delete pictures of themselves the platforms will target them with cosmetic adverts, and other content that exploits their insecurities

    6. pixelburp on

      I believe the “problem” with the Aussie ban, and open to correction of course, is that policing is still on the platforms … and Big Tech is increasingly showing itself disinterested in even the semblance of corporate morality.

      It’s a good idea for sure, and something needs to shift in our perspective and approach to social media as a whole – but the solution unfortunately requires cooperation from a sector whose Product is _us_. And policing anything on the internet can be a real finger-in-dyke scenario.

    7. DarthMauly on

      Suppose let’s see how it goes there first, I imagine if it’s successful we’ll see variations of it rolled out around the world

    9. CthulhusSoreTentacle on

      “Mr O’Donovan discussed a plan with Cabinet colleagues to introduce an age-verification mechanism system to prevent children from accessing adult content on the internet. He said this will work by using an “online wallet” which would be linked to a person’s PPS number”.

      Is this the same Patrick O’Donovan who suggested the Dublin and Monaghan bombings involved Sinn Féin? [Source](https://www.thejournal.ie/patrick-odonovan-dublin-monaghan-bombing-sinn-fein-fine-gael-3569338-Aug2017/). It’s amazing how Irish politicians can continuously defy gratify falling upwards.

      But getting back to the issue at hand, we don’t even yet know if the Australia ban has been successful. It’s only just been implemented. Obviously I’m dead set against any verification measures being implemented. But taking a purely objective stance for a moment, if child protection is what’s driving these measures, should we not wait to see what happens in Australia and then make an informed decision with the data collected?

      Edit: looking through some of the other replies here, I’m not sure if it’s because it’s the morning and people are still waking up or what, but there’s some poor reading comprehension on display here.

    10. dropthecoin on

      No reason why not. It’s no secret how damaging some social media is for people but especially children.

      These threads are also striking how people are selective with their libertarian style views. As in, the government should be responsible for the things they want the State to do in life but issues like this is usually deemed as personal (parental) responsibility.

    11. Maboroshi94RD on

      It’s getting a lot of flack down here because while it’s true that plenty of people are bullied on social media, it’s also a gigantic source of community and connection for a LOT of teens. Especially those living regionally in Australia and for those who are queer or on the spectrum.

      It’s being pointed out that the ban may actually increase social isolation for those groups and the rough, unrefined top down method of the legislation doesn’t actually help anyone.

      Yeah social media sucks for tons of kids. It should have regulations. But pandering to the Helen lovejoys of the world isn’t helpful.

      Personally. I’m very much on the left and in favour of regulation. But this is some nanny state bullshit imo. It just “feels” good rather than “doing” good.

    12. Soft-Affect-8327 on

      I’m not a fan. I can think of many influencers in mental health who I would have benefitted in seeing at age 13-14, who now wouldn’t even speak to my cohort on account of “no one below 16 should be watching”.

      Now if you want to talk about only joining sites with moderation, that’s a different matter…

    13. Just_Shame_5521 on

      A ban may be “unenforcable” or easily circumvented. But what these type of government led initiatives (and laws) do is to create a strength and leverage behind parents. It shifts things away from the “everyone has a phone” or “everyone is on instagram” argument and presents a clearer choice for parents: “do you want to actively go against laws or government recommendations”. Some parents, of course, will. But for many it will help break them out of the normalisation of phones and social media for children and help them break the idea of “keeping up with the Joneses”. Once a critical mass of children get offline, it will become more normalised again and help shift the balance towards a screen free lift, instead of a primarily online life.

      And with the massive upswing in AI realism, this needs to happen as soon as possible

    14. hurpyderp on

      Has it worked in Australia? The top two apps in the app store ATM are social media apps not covered by the ban.

    15. Intelligent-Aside214 on

      The effect social media has had on young adults is horrendous. And the worst effected haven’t even grown up yet.

    16. unsuspectingwatcher on

      I think linking it to pps numbers would be a better move to tackle youth criminality. I mean that’s assuming anyone in a position to do something about it actually cares.

      Inciting violence or organising riots online;username “IrishFreedomFighter2006”? Oh you mean Jimbob Jones, pps number, address, blood type etc

    17. mushy_cactus on

      I don’t think the state should interfere. It’s a parents responsibility.

      Every device has a kid / child mode. This can be locked behind a master password and parents can very much limit what their child can view from apps, to age rated YouTube / Netflix, location tracking, blocking who they can message and call.

      We have all the tools to solve this literally in our hands but parents won’t do it.

    19. Jester-252 on

      Has it been around long enough to say it has worked in Australia?

    20. Ok_Magazine_3383 on

      No issue with the underlying principal.

      Slight scepticism in regard to how well it will work, both in terms of preventing access and the ancillary negative of potentially preventing access to _positive_ online resources.

      But if you have research suggesting it will in fact work, or get evidence of such from countries such as Australia trying it first, then sure.

    21. Dependent_Survey_546 on

      We’re not even sure itll work in Australia yet!

      I do think there needs to be a type of account on social media where you can tell who the actual person behind the post/comment is. An actual properly verified user, a bit like the verified influencer accounts used to be so you knew it was the actual person posting (or their team anyway).

      that way people can hide behind anonymous accounts if they please, but they can also be disregarded or filtered out of conversations by default if the comment cant be tied to a person.

    22. No-Position2750 on

      How enforceable this is or how easy to circumvent, is for a later discussion and to figure out. The mere fact that it is banned for younger people, given all the evidence, sets the tone that this is something our society doesnt want to alllw. 

      There will always be people that try to break the law, but the vast majority of parents and kids will comply.

    23. InfectedAztec on

      Absolutely. Tiktok and other social media are destroying the ability of our young to focus.

      The issue is while you still have 5 year olds walking around with YouTube on their iPads you’re not fixing anything.

    24. AluminiumCrackers on

      I think the approach should be more like the YouTube kids approach. Three different consumer products for three different age groups (for ages under 12, 12 to 17 and 18+) with one creator product for all three, and a parental control system for the non-adult. The social media company is responsible for removing illegal and generally harmful content, and parents are given the power to regulate their children’s usage.

    27. 21stCenturyVole on

      Would a French Revolution style viral Guillotining frenzy work here? /s

    28. Temporary-Shame-1315 on

      We barely have enforcement of traffic laws, ireland isn’t gonna govern anyone bypassing a law like this whatsoever, so it’ll never work here it’ll just make the government look amazing and proactive on the world stage, while in reality everyone is just going to make accounts with fake ages easy peasy…

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