As an Italian I’m gladly in favor of a European federation 🇪🇺
goldstarflag on
In Spain it’s already a majority. And it probably could be more with actual campaigning.
kapitaali_com on
I don’t think this result would hold if they did an actual poll of hundreds of thousands of people.
Ice_Tower6811 on
It’s impressive how this sub spins the title to always look positive when it comes to federalization. Not supporting federalization doesn’t mean they want to destroy the EU.
No-Grapefruit-9334 on
“majority of Italy does NOT support a federal Europe”
NovaNightDrama on
It doesn’t seem possible to me at all, especially when we analyze the governments of Poland and Hungary, which do not align at all with what Western Europe follows: LGBT issues, immigration, and so on.
How would this work, would they be autonomous regions like those in Spain?
And independence movements, like Kosovo, would it be a state within the federation?
85afc on
I wonder if it would made any change if this federalized Europe would be called Roman Empire/Republic.
ant0szek on
I assure you 99% of ppl asked in poll dont even know what that means
DatOneAxolotl on
Real title: Majority of Italy against EU federalisation
JammuS_ on
It helps being a net beneficiary
BrennanBetelgeuse on
It really depends on what federalizing means, doesn’t it? If it’s actually democratic, with stronger, more competent institutions than our countries and definitely not governed like the current EU, I think a lot of people would be in favor of it.
I believe the main hold up is how the EU is currently governed, how much lobbyism there is, how opaque and undemocratic the processes are. We absolutely cannot have a federal government like that.
Possible-Wallaby-877 on
I mean, I’m pro EU. But I don’t want a federal Europe. Why is this being pushed so hard on this sub, to the point of spinning the story as OP did with this graph?
Unhappy_Sugar_5091 on
When you live in an echo chamber you play with your own mind to make sense of the information that doesn’t confirm your bias. This one definitely says more than half of Italians do not want into it.
Efficient_Care8279 on
And nearly half is on board for no i also wouldnt want to make it THAT CLOSE i dont like eu ideas like chat control and i dont want to deal with them
Unique-Back-495 on
EU is already a federation in that sense. Just putting a fancy name and rebranding it as “federation” won’t do anything more.
casper_pwnz on
# Over half of Italy not on board for a federal Europe
There. I fixed it.
Bilya63 on
Posts like this increase the anti eu movement.
I m not 100% against EU, although it needs major reforms but i m 100% against an EU army and an eu federation.
Suspicious-Spot1651 on
Why total is not 100 % ?
Forsaken1887 on
Politicians like Salvini have been blaming UE for every economical problem for a long time now. The unfortunate consequence is that a lot of people is convinced that less EU—> better Italy
Aggressive_Peach_768 on
Nice
HeiBaisWrath on
Ask the question again but with the detail that each region would become a state of this federal Europe instead of Italy as a whole
Darkone539 on
Even the people who support it drop their support when the questions become more specific. This is borderline propaganda with a title like that.
This sub is so weird.
SchemingVegetable on
If you told Italians that this would take away power from the state and give more power to regional governments the percentage would climb to 80% or something
cheese2042 on
I’m curious about the age of those in favor and those against
thrownkitchensink on
Federalization is giving away national autonomy to the EU.
Asking people if we need a European army that is a credible deterrent without US support is perhaps the more relevant question.
If we do do we also need a foreign policy that doesn’t rely on debate with dozens of political heads of state?
Another question is if we need a European industrial policy to be competitive with China and the US.
If we do do we need common debt en means to stop national redundancy?
If we do do we need a common market of services and not just of goods?
The result would be a more federal Europe. And a more powerful parliament.
ShoveTheUsername on
It’s all-but a formal *confederation* at the moment, I would rather it settled that first with a formal constitution, an joint military coordination (within NATO) and greatly reduced veto powers (make the supermajority requirement tougher instead perhaps).
A full federation with Brussels taking over key national authorities (esp armed forces) will be a touch nut to crack.
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Weird title.
As an Italian I’m gladly in favor of a European federation 🇪🇺
In Spain it’s already a majority. And it probably could be more with actual campaigning.
I don’t think this result would hold if they did an actual poll of hundreds of thousands of people.
It’s impressive how this sub spins the title to always look positive when it comes to federalization. Not supporting federalization doesn’t mean they want to destroy the EU.
“majority of Italy does NOT support a federal Europe”
It doesn’t seem possible to me at all, especially when we analyze the governments of Poland and Hungary, which do not align at all with what Western Europe follows: LGBT issues, immigration, and so on.
How would this work, would they be autonomous regions like those in Spain?
And independence movements, like Kosovo, would it be a state within the federation?
I wonder if it would made any change if this federalized Europe would be called Roman Empire/Republic.
I assure you 99% of ppl asked in poll dont even know what that means
Real title: Majority of Italy against EU federalisation
It helps being a net beneficiary
It really depends on what federalizing means, doesn’t it? If it’s actually democratic, with stronger, more competent institutions than our countries and definitely not governed like the current EU, I think a lot of people would be in favor of it.
I believe the main hold up is how the EU is currently governed, how much lobbyism there is, how opaque and undemocratic the processes are. We absolutely cannot have a federal government like that.
I mean, I’m pro EU. But I don’t want a federal Europe. Why is this being pushed so hard on this sub, to the point of spinning the story as OP did with this graph?
When you live in an echo chamber you play with your own mind to make sense of the information that doesn’t confirm your bias. This one definitely says more than half of Italians do not want into it.
And nearly half is on board for no i also wouldnt want to make it THAT CLOSE i dont like eu ideas like chat control and i dont want to deal with them
EU is already a federation in that sense. Just putting a fancy name and rebranding it as “federation” won’t do anything more.
# Over half of Italy not on board for a federal Europe
There. I fixed it.
Posts like this increase the anti eu movement.
I m not 100% against EU, although it needs major reforms but i m 100% against an EU army and an eu federation.
Why total is not 100 % ?
Politicians like Salvini have been blaming UE for every economical problem for a long time now. The unfortunate consequence is that a lot of people is convinced that less EU—> better Italy
Nice
Ask the question again but with the detail that each region would become a state of this federal Europe instead of Italy as a whole
Even the people who support it drop their support when the questions become more specific. This is borderline propaganda with a title like that.
This sub is so weird.
If you told Italians that this would take away power from the state and give more power to regional governments the percentage would climb to 80% or something
I’m curious about the age of those in favor and those against
Federalization is giving away national autonomy to the EU.
Asking people if we need a European army that is a credible deterrent without US support is perhaps the more relevant question.
If we do do we also need a foreign policy that doesn’t rely on debate with dozens of political heads of state?
Another question is if we need a European industrial policy to be competitive with China and the US.
If we do do we need common debt en means to stop national redundancy?
If we do do we need a common market of services and not just of goods?
The result would be a more federal Europe. And a more powerful parliament.
It’s all-but a formal *confederation* at the moment, I would rather it settled that first with a formal constitution, an joint military coordination (within NATO) and greatly reduced veto powers (make the supermajority requirement tougher instead perhaps).
A full federation with Brussels taking over key national authorities (esp armed forces) will be a touch nut to crack.