“Google has accused Britain of threatening to stifle free speech in an escalation of US opposition to online safety rules.
The regulator Ofcom is planning to prevent posts going viral that include “potentially illegal” material, such as hate speech or calls to violence.
However, Google warned that proposals to require tech giants to detect and suppress such “potentially illegal” posts risk “undermining users’ rights to freedom of expression”.
Google said the measures would “necessarily result in legal content being made less likely to be encountered by users, impacting users’ freedom of expression, beyond what the [Online Safety] Act intended”.
Ofcom rejected the claims this weekend, insisting there was “nothing in our proposals that would require sites and apps to take down legal content”.”
Resist this with everything you have.
BobMonkhaus on
So are Google and 4Chan on the same side? Wasn’t expecting that one.
bobblebob100 on
“Donald Trump’s allies have repeatedly criticised Britain’s pioneering legislative attempt to curb abuse and other harms online.”
I cant think why Trumps allies would criticise legislation that tried to curb hate speech and voilence
Goosepond01 on
not that google are in any way a paragon of virtue or anything but I do find it very concerning how the UK and many other countries are continually pushing for more and more censorship online, often under the guise of protecting children or protecting society.
Popular-Jury7272 on
While I think we should all push back against things like this, Google are already fine with moderating away content *they* don’t like, so it is perfectly clear they don’t give a shit about free speech.
Impressive-Bird-6085 on
Google only cares about monopolising its markets and dictating government policy…
TweeSpam on
I can’t remember Google publicly attacking or lobbying against China’s censorship when Google operated there. Funny that.
greenpowerman99 on
Google want the right to psychologically manipulate you.
Their algorithm is designed to keep you looking at your screen as long as possible so you can be shown advertisements.
That’s their business model; not spreading knowledge and free speech, rather cynical capitalism regardless of collateral damage.
Unregulated so-called social media advertising platforms are a clear and present danger to democracies around the world, for profit…
Asleep-Ad1182 on
It’s insane that this sub seems to be fine with the fact that we have no free speech in this country.
Anyales on
I do not like the governments nanny state approach but lets not get fooled by US government propaganda. The republicans have already passed similar laws in the US.
They are correct as the OSA requires platforms to pro-actively remove priority harmful content and also to prevent content harmful to children from going into recommender systems.
This is prior restraint censorship. You are censored before even being able to publish.
The only way you can do that proactively is with mass AI and algorithmic moderation. This moderation uses keywords and perceptual hash matching image recognition.
For some types of content like CSAM it’s very good and accurate. For others like ‘what is a public order offence, or terrorism, or misogyny that are highly contextual and difficult to judge it’s awful.
The OSA created mass censorship where all the penalties on firms are for non compliance and the only free speech duty is a legally weak duty to ‘have particular regard to free expression.
TheEndIsFingNigh on
Google can suck my white ass. These tech companies are overstepping boundaries and should be fined to remind them of this.
Astriania on
There is a legitimate argument that the lines about what is potentially harmful in the OSA are too fuzzy, and there needs to be more guidance and an assurance that good faith efforts won’t result in a big fine.
But there really isn’t an argument that content providers shouldn’t be responsible for the content they publish. This type of material is *already* illegal, and if I print out leaflets and hand them out in the town square I’ll get fined. Why should that be different when it’s published online?
There’s a different question about whether “incitement to religious hatred” should be illegal in the first place – in my opinion that gets too close to suppressing criticism of religious ideologies.
Tech companies do have a responsibility to manage the content they publish, and they constantly try to shirk it because it costs them money.
Celestial__Peach on
Anyone who says its about ‘protecting children’ should be on a list. It was never about protection
OkCurve436 on
You only have to see the lack of censorship on scam websites that litter Facebook adverts to know they and Google don’t give a stuff as long as it pays money. I’ve tried countless times to complain about offensive adverts (to me) on Google mail and they do precisely nothing.
As much as Trump wouldn’t like it, the internet like other forms of communication should have rules governing what is acceptable. Like other forms of communication there has to be a boundary between free and unacceptable speech.
ParrotofDoom on
Google, through YT, is actually paying people who create outrage content. Dickheads like Charles Veitch are paid money by Google, who sell advertising space on his videos. Videos that get lots of clicks because outrage and anger are addictive.
I don’t think such channels should be banned, but do we think it’s a good idea for people to be paid to walk around town centres, pissing people off and getting into fights?
DecimusMeridiusMax on
This government has enacted a radical program of censorship and surveillance which was not in the manifesto.
Yesterday, I tried to read a substack article which was critical of immigration in Sweden (I assume, I never got that far). It was blocked on the basis of the online safety act and asked for my ID. If I uploaded my ID I am worried that I would find myself somehow flagged as politically undesirable, maybe singled out for more surveillance, and so I backed out out of the article and didn’t read it. I know I could use a vpn, but still.
We were told this was to stop kids looking at BDSM, so why does it apply to substack where people share essays about ideas? Why did it apply on day 1 to footage of the Epping protests when there was no gore or death? My point is that this was always, from literally day 1 about political speech.
Just remember that Farage will inherit these powers if you are so morally bankrupt that you don’t care about the free speech of your opponents, and that the british version of ICE will have these powers to silence any criticism of their actions, track individuals who are critics, cut their access to banking, work and government services with the digital ID, full view of their internet connection records and porn preferences (along with vague and hyper restrictive definitions of extreme porn – if a hand goes near a neck you’re a sex offender now).
gopercolate on
Hey Google, Trump won’t be in office forever… do you really want to die on this hill.
SignalButterscotch73 on
You’re free to say anything you want, I’m completely against censorship and government deciding what information your allowed to access that isn’t related to national security.
You should also face the consequences of everything you say regardless of when or where you say it.
Protect your freedom but own what you say. If you encourage others to commit illegal actions, then own it and take the slap on the wrist or jail time.
Defamation (libel and slander) laws still apply even on the Internet, hate crime laws still apply on the Internet.
Edit: Terms of service for platforms like reddit and meta that are private companies still apply on the Internet.
SevenNites on
Government must hold firm. In fact they need to increase the fines on Google for its monopoly practices.
TheL0wKing on
Google doesnt like the suggestions because it would cost them money to moderate and harms their business model, which benifits from controversial content going viral. They are dressing it up as “free speech” because it sounds better than “it would cost us money”. In reality it is about requiring companies to moderate potentially illegal content before letting it go viral; nothing new would be made illegal and it would not impact free speech on anything new, it would just require a lot more proactive moderation.
Not that I agree with the idea, it sounds poorly thought through by people who don’t really understand technology and would cost a great deal. But unlike the online safety act this seems like a practicality issue more than anything else.
phangtom on
More companies need to push back against this growing authoritarianism disguise behind protecting women and children.
Unfortunately, the general population including people in this thread are too stupid to understand why the government being allowed to dictate what you can see, what you can say and have full access to all your private files and messages is the biggest global threat to society.
Cmdr_Ferrus_Cor on
**”The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”**
**- Adolf Hitler**
nbarrett100 on
Worth remembering that sales of the Telegraph have collapsed in the UK and it’s now written for Americans who have never been here and I want to believe that somehow the UK is both a crime infested anarchy AND a totalitarian police state.
Edit: I was arrested for thoughtcrime after posting this. Please stay in America and don’t visit.
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“Google has accused Britain of threatening to stifle free speech in an escalation of US opposition to online safety rules.
The regulator Ofcom is planning to prevent posts going viral that include “potentially illegal” material, such as hate speech or calls to violence.
However, Google warned that proposals to require tech giants to detect and suppress such “potentially illegal” posts risk “undermining users’ rights to freedom of expression”.
Google said the measures would “necessarily result in legal content being made less likely to be encountered by users, impacting users’ freedom of expression, beyond what the [Online Safety] Act intended”.
Ofcom rejected the claims this weekend, insisting there was “nothing in our proposals that would require sites and apps to take down legal content”.”
Resist this with everything you have.
So are Google and 4Chan on the same side? Wasn’t expecting that one.
“Donald Trump’s allies have repeatedly criticised Britain’s pioneering legislative attempt to curb abuse and other harms online.”
I cant think why Trumps allies would criticise legislation that tried to curb hate speech and voilence
not that google are in any way a paragon of virtue or anything but I do find it very concerning how the UK and many other countries are continually pushing for more and more censorship online, often under the guise of protecting children or protecting society.
While I think we should all push back against things like this, Google are already fine with moderating away content *they* don’t like, so it is perfectly clear they don’t give a shit about free speech.
Google only cares about monopolising its markets and dictating government policy…
I can’t remember Google publicly attacking or lobbying against China’s censorship when Google operated there. Funny that.
Google want the right to psychologically manipulate you.
Their algorithm is designed to keep you looking at your screen as long as possible so you can be shown advertisements.
That’s their business model; not spreading knowledge and free speech, rather cynical capitalism regardless of collateral damage.
Unregulated so-called social media advertising platforms are a clear and present danger to democracies around the world, for profit…
It’s insane that this sub seems to be fine with the fact that we have no free speech in this country.
I do not like the governments nanny state approach but lets not get fooled by US government propaganda. The republicans have already passed similar laws in the US.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz63ny02d8po
They are correct as the OSA requires platforms to pro-actively remove priority harmful content and also to prevent content harmful to children from going into recommender systems.
This is prior restraint censorship. You are censored before even being able to publish.
The only way you can do that proactively is with mass AI and algorithmic moderation. This moderation uses keywords and perceptual hash matching image recognition.
For some types of content like CSAM it’s very good and accurate. For others like ‘what is a public order offence, or terrorism, or misogyny that are highly contextual and difficult to judge it’s awful.
The OSA created mass censorship where all the penalties on firms are for non compliance and the only free speech duty is a legally weak duty to ‘have particular regard to free expression.
Google can suck my white ass. These tech companies are overstepping boundaries and should be fined to remind them of this.
There is a legitimate argument that the lines about what is potentially harmful in the OSA are too fuzzy, and there needs to be more guidance and an assurance that good faith efforts won’t result in a big fine.
But there really isn’t an argument that content providers shouldn’t be responsible for the content they publish. This type of material is *already* illegal, and if I print out leaflets and hand them out in the town square I’ll get fined. Why should that be different when it’s published online?
There’s a different question about whether “incitement to religious hatred” should be illegal in the first place – in my opinion that gets too close to suppressing criticism of religious ideologies.
Tech companies do have a responsibility to manage the content they publish, and they constantly try to shirk it because it costs them money.
Anyone who says its about ‘protecting children’ should be on a list. It was never about protection
You only have to see the lack of censorship on scam websites that litter Facebook adverts to know they and Google don’t give a stuff as long as it pays money. I’ve tried countless times to complain about offensive adverts (to me) on Google mail and they do precisely nothing.
As much as Trump wouldn’t like it, the internet like other forms of communication should have rules governing what is acceptable. Like other forms of communication there has to be a boundary between free and unacceptable speech.
Google, through YT, is actually paying people who create outrage content. Dickheads like Charles Veitch are paid money by Google, who sell advertising space on his videos. Videos that get lots of clicks because outrage and anger are addictive.
I don’t think such channels should be banned, but do we think it’s a good idea for people to be paid to walk around town centres, pissing people off and getting into fights?
This government has enacted a radical program of censorship and surveillance which was not in the manifesto.
Yesterday, I tried to read a substack article which was critical of immigration in Sweden (I assume, I never got that far). It was blocked on the basis of the online safety act and asked for my ID. If I uploaded my ID I am worried that I would find myself somehow flagged as politically undesirable, maybe singled out for more surveillance, and so I backed out out of the article and didn’t read it. I know I could use a vpn, but still.
We were told this was to stop kids looking at BDSM, so why does it apply to substack where people share essays about ideas? Why did it apply on day 1 to footage of the Epping protests when there was no gore or death? My point is that this was always, from literally day 1 about political speech.
Just remember that Farage will inherit these powers if you are so morally bankrupt that you don’t care about the free speech of your opponents, and that the british version of ICE will have these powers to silence any criticism of their actions, track individuals who are critics, cut their access to banking, work and government services with the digital ID, full view of their internet connection records and porn preferences (along with vague and hyper restrictive definitions of extreme porn – if a hand goes near a neck you’re a sex offender now).
Hey Google, Trump won’t be in office forever… do you really want to die on this hill.
You’re free to say anything you want, I’m completely against censorship and government deciding what information your allowed to access that isn’t related to national security.
You should also face the consequences of everything you say regardless of when or where you say it.
Protect your freedom but own what you say. If you encourage others to commit illegal actions, then own it and take the slap on the wrist or jail time.
Defamation (libel and slander) laws still apply even on the Internet, hate crime laws still apply on the Internet.
Edit: Terms of service for platforms like reddit and meta that are private companies still apply on the Internet.
Government must hold firm. In fact they need to increase the fines on Google for its monopoly practices.
Google doesnt like the suggestions because it would cost them money to moderate and harms their business model, which benifits from controversial content going viral. They are dressing it up as “free speech” because it sounds better than “it would cost us money”. In reality it is about requiring companies to moderate potentially illegal content before letting it go viral; nothing new would be made illegal and it would not impact free speech on anything new, it would just require a lot more proactive moderation.
Not that I agree with the idea, it sounds poorly thought through by people who don’t really understand technology and would cost a great deal. But unlike the online safety act this seems like a practicality issue more than anything else.
More companies need to push back against this growing authoritarianism disguise behind protecting women and children.
Unfortunately, the general population including people in this thread are too stupid to understand why the government being allowed to dictate what you can see, what you can say and have full access to all your private files and messages is the biggest global threat to society.
**”The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”**
**- Adolf Hitler**
Worth remembering that sales of the Telegraph have collapsed in the UK and it’s now written for Americans who have never been here and I want to believe that somehow the UK is both a crime infested anarchy AND a totalitarian police state.
Edit: I was arrested for thoughtcrime after posting this. Please stay in America and don’t visit.