Wars take time. In Afghanistan it took 20 years to smoke the invaders out. The war in Ukraine has soon taken 12
not_just_putin on
The West can do better than that.
JJRox189 on
“That won’t bring Putin to negotiations” because he knows the EU counterpart is not able to negotiate alone and US is on many other tables right now.
lazyubertoad on
The kinetic sanctions are amiss in that report.
Objective_Mousse7216 on
UK economy has been struggling for decades and it hasn’t brought down the UK uniparty government.
Ninevehenian on
How about we just dismantle their economy faster then?
miki88ptt on
Ahahahah
Horror_Ad_7580 on
Pretty sure he will rather bring all of his people to starvation before ending war
kodos_der_henker on
The illusion that Putin will recognise defeat on the negotiation table
He never will negotiate his own defeat, only a victory no matter how bad Russia will do
LazerBurken on
No one knows how long it will take, all we know is once it happens, it will happen very fast. The Soviet Union collapsed in a matter of days, basically, due to economic reasons. The attrition war in Afghanistan was a large part of it, quite similar situation to Ukraine, where the allies funded the Afghans which fought the commies.
Putins war chest is declining fast, the oil price is at a historic low and Ukraine has done massive damage to their refining capabilities. Inflation in Russia is high despite an interest rate of 16(!)%. The Russian national Bank has their hands tied in their struggle to keep the inflation down, which is driven by the huge injections of money into the war machinery, the machinery that basically is the Russian economy right now.
Putin is running out of funds fast and have started to plunder his oligarch buddies assets. Russias only grace is that they have a huge pile of gold, and the value of gold has increased alot during the war.
And on top of this economic meltdown, there is a demographic crisis as so many young men are dying.
But yeah, could take months, years… who knows. The Russians knows pain better than most.
markjo12345 on
What if Ukraine just took out more of their oil fields, factories and logistics routes?
TheDucktapeBandit2 on
Forget all talks, negotiations. Russia will lie, try to get more, break agreements, take advantage of weakness, rebuild the army and go again, etc etc.
Russia neeeds to b military defeated, needs their oil, gas income , economy to b broken.
They need help leaving stolen land, by being chased away with violence.
And i believe that will happen.
Worried_Coach1695 on
But ukranian state media (united24) told me russia is collapsing.
Far-Address-9976 on
Wondering why it was/is a common belief that even a bad economy would override national security interests for a great power? Especially since they have been willing to sacrifice thousands of lives over little territory in a war of attrition.
Zeganoff on
Putin is Stalin 2.0, because he doesn’t give a shit about the people, and the people there are such that they don’t give a shit about themselves either.
Washed_up_Vanski on
Let’s assume for a moment that Russia is under immense financial, political and military pressure. Whether we have already reached them or will in the future there is little incentive for Putin to negotiate. He is a dictator and thus has total control of the state but adversely will also be blamed for it’s failures. Suing for peace which can’t be sold as victory to the population would mean the end of Putin’s political career. Even dictators need public support to stay in power and cannot suffer any loss of face.
Even though the demands Russia has on Ukraine are harsh they are not existential. IMHO the sooner the parties can find peace the better and the real work of recovery can begin.
mastercat202 on
Its why sanctions really don’t do much against autocrats and dictatorship.
Timmaigh on
Well, he is not struggling personally, so ofc it wont.
Creative-Mode-6097 on
That one thing , but what who scare him , it,s what peopel will aksept of his finaciel in the countrey . High price of food , high bank loan , inflation, etc. He is not safe and he nows that . I belive at is grooving undeground in Russia today . That i am.sure of .
cunextu on
Let them rot , slowly but surely
alfamadorian on
I find it strange, cause all the wannabe analysts I follow on the Internet says Russia will go down, like right now.
yksvaan on
Many Europeans still don’t understand Russians and think same principles apply there. Majority of population will just accept whatever happens as it’s decided and nothing could change it. And most live like shit already anyway, Russia will have food and oil/gas anyway.
Responsible-Win-4348 on
The leaders of countries couldn’t give a shit about the economic struggles of the people. They care only of their power.
GoldenWings87 on
Not if Europe helps the Ukrainian government more. Politicians need to stop the bs and think about the future of your continent.
Opposite-Job-8405 on
When you look at what sanctions have accomplished with North Korea, Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Libya to name a few; you can see how ineffective they can be in regime change.
Putin can drag Russia’s in with him like other dictators have done for many years.
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Wars take time. In Afghanistan it took 20 years to smoke the invaders out. The war in Ukraine has soon taken 12
The West can do better than that.
“That won’t bring Putin to negotiations” because he knows the EU counterpart is not able to negotiate alone and US is on many other tables right now.
The kinetic sanctions are amiss in that report.
UK economy has been struggling for decades and it hasn’t brought down the UK uniparty government.
How about we just dismantle their economy faster then?
Ahahahah
Pretty sure he will rather bring all of his people to starvation before ending war
The illusion that Putin will recognise defeat on the negotiation table
He never will negotiate his own defeat, only a victory no matter how bad Russia will do
No one knows how long it will take, all we know is once it happens, it will happen very fast. The Soviet Union collapsed in a matter of days, basically, due to economic reasons. The attrition war in Afghanistan was a large part of it, quite similar situation to Ukraine, where the allies funded the Afghans which fought the commies.
Putins war chest is declining fast, the oil price is at a historic low and Ukraine has done massive damage to their refining capabilities. Inflation in Russia is high despite an interest rate of 16(!)%. The Russian national Bank has their hands tied in their struggle to keep the inflation down, which is driven by the huge injections of money into the war machinery, the machinery that basically is the Russian economy right now.
Putin is running out of funds fast and have started to plunder his oligarch buddies assets. Russias only grace is that they have a huge pile of gold, and the value of gold has increased alot during the war.
And on top of this economic meltdown, there is a demographic crisis as so many young men are dying.
But yeah, could take months, years… who knows. The Russians knows pain better than most.
What if Ukraine just took out more of their oil fields, factories and logistics routes?
Forget all talks, negotiations. Russia will lie, try to get more, break agreements, take advantage of weakness, rebuild the army and go again, etc etc.
Russia neeeds to b military defeated, needs their oil, gas income , economy to b broken.
They need help leaving stolen land, by being chased away with violence.
And i believe that will happen.
But ukranian state media (united24) told me russia is collapsing.
Wondering why it was/is a common belief that even a bad economy would override national security interests for a great power? Especially since they have been willing to sacrifice thousands of lives over little territory in a war of attrition.
Putin is Stalin 2.0, because he doesn’t give a shit about the people, and the people there are such that they don’t give a shit about themselves either.
Let’s assume for a moment that Russia is under immense financial, political and military pressure. Whether we have already reached them or will in the future there is little incentive for Putin to negotiate. He is a dictator and thus has total control of the state but adversely will also be blamed for it’s failures. Suing for peace which can’t be sold as victory to the population would mean the end of Putin’s political career. Even dictators need public support to stay in power and cannot suffer any loss of face.
Even though the demands Russia has on Ukraine are harsh they are not existential. IMHO the sooner the parties can find peace the better and the real work of recovery can begin.
Its why sanctions really don’t do much against autocrats and dictatorship.
Well, he is not struggling personally, so ofc it wont.
That one thing , but what who scare him , it,s what peopel will aksept of his finaciel in the countrey . High price of food , high bank loan , inflation, etc. He is not safe and he nows that . I belive at is grooving undeground in Russia today . That i am.sure of .
Let them rot , slowly but surely
I find it strange, cause all the wannabe analysts I follow on the Internet says Russia will go down, like right now.
Many Europeans still don’t understand Russians and think same principles apply there. Majority of population will just accept whatever happens as it’s decided and nothing could change it. And most live like shit already anyway, Russia will have food and oil/gas anyway.
The leaders of countries couldn’t give a shit about the economic struggles of the people. They care only of their power.
Not if Europe helps the Ukrainian government more. Politicians need to stop the bs and think about the future of your continent.
When you look at what sanctions have accomplished with North Korea, Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Libya to name a few; you can see how ineffective they can be in regime change.
Putin can drag Russia’s in with him like other dictators have done for many years.