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    Il capo della NATO Mark Rutte respinge le richieste di indipendenza della difesa dell’UE dagli Stati Uniti


    Il capo della NATO Mark Rutte respinge le richieste di indipendenza della difesa dell’UE dagli Stati Uniti

    https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/12/26/nato-chief-rutte-rejects-calls-for-eu-defence-independence-from-us

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    4. Illustrious-Pool-760 on

      Feels like déjà vu Europe talks autonomy, NATO reminds everyone the transatlantic link still runs the show.

    6. Frosty_Customer_9243 on

      He is realistic, use them for as long as possible. If he advocates independent defence he might just get it real quick.

    7. VibrantGypsyDildo on

      It is literally a job for a NATO official to protect NATO.

      Unfortunately, European countries cannot base their safety on empty claims.

      I even remember somewhere at late elementary school or at early secondary school I was told how cool Ukraine was to abandon its nukes (the 3rd nuclear potential in the world, btw).

      Few decades fast-forward, USA bombed Iran, a country who signed a nuke treaty with them. Russia bombed Ukraine.

      Morale of the story: if you have a defense treaty, use this paper to wipe your ass. This way it won’t be wasted.

    8. Nick_Strong on

      As much as Rutte likes it, Europe can no longer afford to be America’s junior partner. It’s been 80 years since World War II, and Europe needs to finally step out of America’s shadow and achieve strategic autonomy. Otherwise, Europe will remain at the mercy of whoever happens to be sitting in the White House and will continue to be an irrelevant geopolitical dwarf.

      Also, people like Rutte, who openly embrace Europe’s role as America’s loyal sidekick, only reinforce the Russian narrative that Europe is subordinate to the US. Yeltsin even asked Clinton to “just give Europe to Russia” back in the day.

    9. Impressive-Tip-1689 on

      That’s oblivious since it’s his job to say this.

    12. salonoicheng on

      Of course, he is NATO chief not Dutch chief anymore of EU chief, he should defend the position of all members so from Europe and US.

    15. HadeS-ThanatoS on

      Of course he does. Half of the US infrastructure (in Europe) is in his little country. The other half is supported by being a narco-state. That’s how they remain afloat and then you have the insufferable Dutch who think they’re the smartest in the world (some interpret it as “direct” but they’re wrong), while the first word they utter in every conversation is, “ASML” which practically isn’t even Dutch anymore. They’ll do whatever the US tell them to do. Like all good boys.

    16. Shot_Umpire_6850 on

      It’s his job. It’s up to the Europeans to make it hapoen. Not directly the career politicians but the average joe (me), who blames everything the sovereign national government fucks up, on Europe, then blames Europe for letting the sovereign national government doing it. Then, Europe again for taking our sovereignty, even though EU institutions can only do what the national governments tell it to do.

      Edit: missed *the* due to alcohol.

    19. goalmouthscramble on

      The future of Europe needs, at least for the being, to be in European hands.

    21. classicjuice on

      What else can you expect from him when he calls that yank-pedophile-rapist-felon „daddy”.

    22. curorororo on

      Not surprising that the suck up son doesnt want to be independent from daddy’s teet.

    24. Stefanmplayer on

      His only job right now should be to see to the emergency nuclear rearmament of Europe. Preferably before the US gets the idea we have similar raw materials as Venezuela and Greenland

    25. This-Republic-1756 on

      Here we go again… for 4 decades US practically forbade Europe to invest in joined defense. Now US is blaming Europe to have complied. And repeat… 🔁

    26. m3th0dman_ on

      He has a point. At this point in time Europe does not have the arms industry nor the intelligence to be militarily self reliant

      If Europe would be united and would spit out the money, it would take probably 5 years to be self reliant. Otherwise probably way more than a decade.

    27. Big-Conflict-4218 on

      So what do we do about the Americans at Ramstein then?

    28. CreamXpert on

      Let’s be real, the US will leave NATO by 2030.
      If the EU doesn’t want to be butt naked they better prepare for it now.

    29. TianZiGaming on

      If Rutte rejects reliance on US for defense, he’d be on the line to convince the EU to spend enough to get its own defense spending way up, enough where they don’t need the US to feel safe. That’s something every US president for the past 2 decades has failed to do.

    30. MickyCrazy on

      The US is no longer a NATO ally. They are more than ever on Russia’s side. Only a fool/moron could still think otherwise.

    31. TheoryOfDevolution on

      Instead of building out a European NATO and reinvent the wheel, we should shore up Europe’s role in NATO.

    32. Shigonokam on

      Well no one could explain to me yet how European defence independance will be credible. I am open to arguments but until no one comes up with a credible alternative, being a vassal to the US is Europes only option and that has to be accepted.

    33. charliebyebye on

      It’s about time NATO was replaced by a European agency separate from NATO

    34. JetlinerDiner on

      This prick is always in somebody’s pocket. We now know in whose pocket he landed.

    36. Striking-Access-236 on

      What’s best for NATO is not necessarily best for Europe. So, let’s not follow the path of this Trump whisperer…

    37. ElChicoNoRico on

      What more does Trump have to do to get Europeans to stop depending on the US. We’re not your personal security force. Are you guys really that afraid of taking care of yourself? Stop begging and move on! We’re not here for you guys, you’re not out allies.

    38. SailorFromWest on

      NATO is dead, while Trump is in power, NATO its not coming back.

      Time to rise Europe

    39. ProductGuy48 on

      Rutte is not in a position to reject anything. He doesn’t have a say in what the EU can or cannot do.

      If EU countries or a subset of them vote to create a separate military alliance within NATO there isn’t a single God damn thing Teflon Mark can do about it.

      He isn’t the “chief” of NATO. He is the head of admin of NATO. He doesn’t get to decide what NATO does, members do.

    40. TyrionBean on

      They can’t declare independence yet. They have to prepare for it. If they just cut ties with the U.S., then Putin will invade Poland or another state really soon after because he knows how unprepared Europe is. We are years from being independent from America at even the best estimates. They control most of Europe’s military parts and supplies, almost all satellite intelligence, nuclear submarines and carrier groups, as well as guidance systems. America sold Europe a promise and, 80 years later, decided (thanks to my fucking ignorant, useless, deplorable countrymen) to BETRAY that promise – in the middle of a war with Putin. My fucking rage knows literally no bounds on how I see Trump, his administration, and the fucking asshole ignorant little shits who support him.

      Edit: I’m American and French and live in Paris.

    41. BelgianPolitics on

      Mark Rutte the Dutch politician most likely believes in EU independence from the US.

      Mark Rutte the Dutch citizen most likely believes in EU independence from the US.

      Mark Rutte the NATO SecGen will never support EU independence from the US.

      It’s not that difficult to understand this.

    43. JuliusCaesar121 on

      I will judge this post’s quality by the number of down votes it gets 🙂

      IMO 2026 Europe can pick only one dish from the following nightmare menu. All are gross:

      A: Plow a huge amount of money into defense. This means less social spending, higher taxes, higher interest rates (crowding out effect), more debt, and less investment and in emerging technologies. No free lunch.

      Theres no guarantee this $$$ actually bolsters collective EU deterrence very much beyond the nukes that UK and France already have. I’m also a cynical realist so I can see this triggering a dangerous security competition within Europe

      OR

      Option B: The default choice. Continue to stoke trumps ego and rely on the US security umbrella for as long as it can. This is a stupid idea because America must look to China and Asia, no matter what happens in Europe 

      OR 

      Option C: Europe relearns Real Politik. do the unthinkable and maybe fix relations with Russia. Gasp. Maybe there’s a deal where Russia promises to end the Ukraine war and leave the Baltic states + Poland alone. In exchange NATO/Europe agrees not to park military assets close to Russia. Germany would use the return of cheap Russian pipe to fix its broken economy and rebuild nuclear power ASAP.  

      Russia would *love* the flexibility this gives them vis a vis China. Having only one buyer of its energy is a horrible place for them.

      The Baltic states and Poland will obviously lose their shit – they’ll need to be paid $$$ + given security promises.

      C sounds like devil worship in the Vatican here. But to me this is by far the smartest thing you could do. 

      Washington has zero fucks to give about European appeals to shared values and democracy. I’d argue we never actually have tbh. 

      Want to know what might turn heads in Washington though? Deeper French-German-Russian cooperation.

    44. Southern_Meaning4942 on

      Breaking news: Guy running the American-European defense pact says American-European defense pact is still important.

      In other news: CEO of Volkswagen says Volkswagen are the best cars

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