Like the real timebomb is n’t pensions, it’s forgetting that longer lives can also mean stronger communities.
Dangerous-Captain496 on
Let me guess, billionaire companies avoiding taxes ?
Edit/ very serious answers to my sarcastic post lol
So with the answers I got I can say
1/demographic, does that mean we need immigrants to survive ? Lol obviously yes.
2/ people too poor to afford children’s, does that mean we need salaries adjusted to the cost of living or even better more affordable housing, food, schools etc… ? It might be
3/someone said people are not educated enough to get high salaries. Do we need more teachers ? Looks like it.
No_Conversation_9325 on
Betting all in on infinite growth is just plain dumb.
myzuk77 on
Another factor is the voting demographics, with Europe having an ever aging population, at least for the next few decades. This means the retirees will keep becoming a bigger voting block and I doubt they will vote against their own interests for the benefit of future generations. This is without even factoring that an increasing amount of them will be childless, in which case the benefit of future generations would not even be an afterthought.
davicing on
We will do anything but tax the billionaries
DK2500 on
Please notice, Europe is not a country!
Independent-Gur9951 on
Not becoming, it is already unsustainable
tortorototo on
Two words: **Zucman tax**
Grobarde on
Lowering unemployment reduces spending and increases revenue. They need to send money!
Shot-Total-2575 on
No wealth tax.
Facktat on
The only way I can sleep knowing this is because I love my parents and I always tell myself that I am paying for them (which I like to do because of how much they abstained in life to provide for my ungrateful ass as a child). I don’t understand how people whose parents are cunts can accept the current situation.
Kaiser93 on
Well, let’s start with this: Make places for young people to work so their taxes can go to the pensions fund too. Crazy idea, right?
LameFernweh on
I’m already expected to retire at 67 and pay more and more and more into a pension system with horrendous returns. All for what, a pension that won’t even cover my rent when I retire.
It’s very clear it isn’t working. The generation before me, however, bought up all of the real estate, have nice holiday homes and kind of stopped working in their late 50’s.
Seems like from 67 until I kick the bucket I’ll be ‘donating’ plasma and working part time to ‘keep me active’. FFS.
One idea: create tax free savings options with a quota or cap per year allowing citizens to save in cash, precious metals or event shares BEFORE taxes.
thehardestpartinlife on
Wealth tax.
Wealth tax.
Wealth tax.
hyper_plane on
Tax the billionaires
b00nish on
Most pension systems are based on the same very obviously flawed belief as our economy in general: infinite growth.
But since we have ignored the obvious and apparent facts for many decades it gets increasingly impossible to do anything about the problems.
In most western democracies, retirees and soon-to-be-retirees are already the majority of the voters. Will they ever vote for something or somebody that adjusts the pension system to the requirements of reality? I doubt it.
(In a direct democracy like Switzerland you could recently see that proposals to stabilize the system get shut down whereas proposals that increas the pensions go through.)
Now set aside the fact that the system is not sustainable in the long-term anyway and therefore will collapse in some way or another. Even more interesting is the question: how will the system affect the countries *before* ist collapses. Because if for example politics would decide to finance the pre-collapsing system with higher and higher taxes and/or payroll deductions, this could of course affect the competitiveness of those countries in a very negative way. (The working migrant will probably no longer come to a country where a huge part of their salary is deducted to finance the pensions of a geriatric population majority. And this includes the working migrants who are supposed to look after the geriatric population in nursing homes etc.)
KeyPerformance2810 on
Pension systems will be reformed in the next decade. We will probably end up with something along the lines of what Canada is doing, where theres a small pay-as-you-go pension and rest is up to you to invest/save after you’ve reached your yearly contributions.
CreativeQuests on
Robots gonna pay.
Stefanmplayer on
Because we let in millions of illegals of whom only a relatively low percentage actually contributes anything other than terrorism, boomers and the generation after that fucked up not only the planet but also life in general so bad folks my age are deciding to not have children as to not continue the downward spiral of daily suffering. There’s an unsustainable system for ya
truestory23 on
While I understand the idea, I wouldnt want to agree with it fully. Our effectiveness keeps increasing, just tax the super wealthy…
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Like the real timebomb is n’t pensions, it’s forgetting that longer lives can also mean stronger communities.
Let me guess, billionaire companies avoiding taxes ?
Edit/ very serious answers to my sarcastic post lol
So with the answers I got I can say
1/demographic, does that mean we need immigrants to survive ? Lol obviously yes.
2/ people too poor to afford children’s, does that mean we need salaries adjusted to the cost of living or even better more affordable housing, food, schools etc… ? It might be
3/someone said people are not educated enough to get high salaries. Do we need more teachers ? Looks like it.
Betting all in on infinite growth is just plain dumb.
Another factor is the voting demographics, with Europe having an ever aging population, at least for the next few decades. This means the retirees will keep becoming a bigger voting block and I doubt they will vote against their own interests for the benefit of future generations. This is without even factoring that an increasing amount of them will be childless, in which case the benefit of future generations would not even be an afterthought.
We will do anything but tax the billionaries
Please notice, Europe is not a country!
Not becoming, it is already unsustainable
Two words: **Zucman tax**
Lowering unemployment reduces spending and increases revenue. They need to send money!
No wealth tax.
The only way I can sleep knowing this is because I love my parents and I always tell myself that I am paying for them (which I like to do because of how much they abstained in life to provide for my ungrateful ass as a child). I don’t understand how people whose parents are cunts can accept the current situation.
Well, let’s start with this: Make places for young people to work so their taxes can go to the pensions fund too. Crazy idea, right?
I’m already expected to retire at 67 and pay more and more and more into a pension system with horrendous returns. All for what, a pension that won’t even cover my rent when I retire.
It’s very clear it isn’t working. The generation before me, however, bought up all of the real estate, have nice holiday homes and kind of stopped working in their late 50’s.
Seems like from 67 until I kick the bucket I’ll be ‘donating’ plasma and working part time to ‘keep me active’. FFS.
One idea: create tax free savings options with a quota or cap per year allowing citizens to save in cash, precious metals or event shares BEFORE taxes.
Wealth tax.
Wealth tax.
Wealth tax.
Tax the billionaires
Most pension systems are based on the same very obviously flawed belief as our economy in general: infinite growth.
But since we have ignored the obvious and apparent facts for many decades it gets increasingly impossible to do anything about the problems.
In most western democracies, retirees and soon-to-be-retirees are already the majority of the voters. Will they ever vote for something or somebody that adjusts the pension system to the requirements of reality? I doubt it.
(In a direct democracy like Switzerland you could recently see that proposals to stabilize the system get shut down whereas proposals that increas the pensions go through.)
Now set aside the fact that the system is not sustainable in the long-term anyway and therefore will collapse in some way or another. Even more interesting is the question: how will the system affect the countries *before* ist collapses. Because if for example politics would decide to finance the pre-collapsing system with higher and higher taxes and/or payroll deductions, this could of course affect the competitiveness of those countries in a very negative way. (The working migrant will probably no longer come to a country where a huge part of their salary is deducted to finance the pensions of a geriatric population majority. And this includes the working migrants who are supposed to look after the geriatric population in nursing homes etc.)
Pension systems will be reformed in the next decade. We will probably end up with something along the lines of what Canada is doing, where theres a small pay-as-you-go pension and rest is up to you to invest/save after you’ve reached your yearly contributions.
Robots gonna pay.
Because we let in millions of illegals of whom only a relatively low percentage actually contributes anything other than terrorism, boomers and the generation after that fucked up not only the planet but also life in general so bad folks my age are deciding to not have children as to not continue the downward spiral of daily suffering. There’s an unsustainable system for ya
While I understand the idea, I wouldnt want to agree with it fully. Our effectiveness keeps increasing, just tax the super wealthy…