Menawhile…Dart+, Metro Link, LUAS expansion, bus connects corridors all chugging along at a snails pace despite a lot of shovel ready aspects…
wrghf on
Congestion charges are a ridiculous idea so long as there are no reasonable or viable alternatives to car usage.
Public transport in pretty much all of Ireland, including Dublin, is absolutely fucking dogshit so all you’re doing with congestion charges is making things more difficult for people who don’t have other options.
If we had a good public transport system I’d be all for it, but we don’t, so I’m not.
YoIronFistBro on
Good. A far better approach (if you insist on using a stuck in the first place) is to remove them entirely from, say, 20%, of city centre streets, then gradually increase that percentage until it’s, say, 80%.
AggressivePie8111 on
There are more cars on the road than ever before. We are doing nothing to entice people onto public transport.
I recently changed my working hours and the commute at 4pm-6pm feels like the hunger games. Cancelled and crammed buses aswell as trains. Government actively shelving public transport projects.
SeaweedBasic290 on
Our lazy government should be looking at the ATM trams used in san Francisco and Milan. Fantastic system that criss crosses both cities. This system would be far cheaper then a luas to install and could be used to link busses, trains and the luas.
The ATMs could run down narrow streets right through the city center linking all areas at a fast pace. This system could even be used in the suburban setting like Tallaght. Linking the shopping center, Tallaght village, big estates and clondalkin village.
Colin_Eve92 on
We literally have the opposite of a congestion charge right now. For some commutes, you drive through the city or use the M50 and pay a toll…
Brutus_021 on
How about forcing or incentivising employers to go back to WFH practices for at least 2-3 days a week? This should be doable for firms which require employees to come in to attend calls on Teams or Zoom.
Everything has noticeably changed since the return to office agenda started.
Everyone agrees it is prudent to use less resources (fossil fuels and electricity) and yet here we are.
Just_myself_001 on
Yeah because Dublin has gardens and gardens have pitchforks and we all know it would be subbed out to a shell company with 19 ex & current TD directors and then sold off to a friend of the party
We all know 99c would go back into public transport.
keanehoodies on
The most important figure that isn’t being shared is the efficiency of the bus network.
Traffic doesn’t just delay buses, it reduces their carrying capacity.
A Bus that was so delayed by traffic that it misses its departure at the terminus gets cancelled and drops off the Real Time (A ghost bus).
But lets not for get that that’s a bus load of people now being squeezed onto the following service. Which causes buses to fill up faster than anticipated, leaving people left at bus stops.
Those are the two number one things that cause passenger frustration, which pushes people into cars.
Traffic caused by drivers creates more drivers. The only solution is militant bus priority, with bus lanes, Camera enforcement and actual punishment for drivers.
I live on the Finglas Road and the bus lane that leads up to the junction with Old Finglas Road might as well not be there as its always full of drivers turning left. Breaking the law, delaying the network and making the problem worse for everyone, without any repercussions.
That’s what I mean when I say we need to talk about the efficiency of the network. How many bus journeys are lost due to congestion, because we can sit still for 5 years and wait for a rail line to be built or upgraded or we can do everything in our power to make sure what we have now works to its MAXIMUM capacity.
sureyouknowurself on
Hard to justify it when public transport is a mess
The3rdbaboon on
I mean they have the ultra low emissions zone in London which is basically the same thing. London also has an extensive metro system plus buses and it’s still one of the most congested cities anywhere.
So I’m not sure how this would benefit the people of Dublin considering the public transport system is piss poor.
Future_Jackfruit5360 on
How about we charge companies who can work from home a congestion charge for needlessly bringing traffic into the city and needlessly filling seats on public transport.
Unless they can prove it’s essential someone needs to be in an office, they don’t get an exemption from the charge.
Dennisthefirst on
Instead, go a stage further. Green Tax the central city companies that have banned remote work. Use an increasing daily rate over each month.
AgentSufficient1047 on
Work from home entitlements.
No_Donkey456 on
Now who’s the populist party?
Kevinb-30 on
The biggest issue imo is the traffic going into the City from what should be commutable distances if public transport was done right that and the resistance to work from home.
I live roughly half an hour away from 2 train stations yet when I worked in Dublin I had to drive as there was no train early enough to get me in for nine and I know a fair few people in the same boat.
As for WFH it has the obvious benefits of taking traffic out of the City but also the added benefit of easing pressure on housing in Dublin +revitalizing rural towns and villages.
My local village had been on the verge of losing the last shop and pub for the last 10ish years. Since COVID and WFH there has been 20 + families moved into the area (locals returning and blow ins) and as a result a second pub/ restaurant and a coffee shop has opened the village is buzzing again.
Kogling on
WFH would solve most of this.
Make roads all one way flowing to specific key locations (I.e. Multi story car parks) and keep everything moving. Ideally off from the busiest pedestrian roads.
Pedestrianise everything else with bus routes. Remove all on street parking.
Free shuttle on mass for within centre commuting. Push other operators towards the boundaries to change over to shuttles.
Permits for deliveries or for door step access.
Specific access for local residents to and from the one way system if they have a driveway or loading.
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Menawhile…Dart+, Metro Link, LUAS expansion, bus connects corridors all chugging along at a snails pace despite a lot of shovel ready aspects…
Congestion charges are a ridiculous idea so long as there are no reasonable or viable alternatives to car usage.
Public transport in pretty much all of Ireland, including Dublin, is absolutely fucking dogshit so all you’re doing with congestion charges is making things more difficult for people who don’t have other options.
If we had a good public transport system I’d be all for it, but we don’t, so I’m not.
Good. A far better approach (if you insist on using a stuck in the first place) is to remove them entirely from, say, 20%, of city centre streets, then gradually increase that percentage until it’s, say, 80%.
There are more cars on the road than ever before. We are doing nothing to entice people onto public transport.
I recently changed my working hours and the commute at 4pm-6pm feels like the hunger games. Cancelled and crammed buses aswell as trains. Government actively shelving public transport projects.
Our lazy government should be looking at the ATM trams used in san Francisco and Milan. Fantastic system that criss crosses both cities. This system would be far cheaper then a luas to install and could be used to link busses, trains and the luas.
The ATMs could run down narrow streets right through the city center linking all areas at a fast pace. This system could even be used in the suburban setting like Tallaght. Linking the shopping center, Tallaght village, big estates and clondalkin village.
We literally have the opposite of a congestion charge right now. For some commutes, you drive through the city or use the M50 and pay a toll…
How about forcing or incentivising employers to go back to WFH practices for at least 2-3 days a week? This should be doable for firms which require employees to come in to attend calls on Teams or Zoom.
Everything has noticeably changed since the return to office agenda started.
Everyone agrees it is prudent to use less resources (fossil fuels and electricity) and yet here we are.
Yeah because Dublin has gardens and gardens have pitchforks and we all know it would be subbed out to a shell company with 19 ex & current TD directors and then sold off to a friend of the party
We all know 99c would go back into public transport.
The most important figure that isn’t being shared is the efficiency of the bus network.
Traffic doesn’t just delay buses, it reduces their carrying capacity.
A Bus that was so delayed by traffic that it misses its departure at the terminus gets cancelled and drops off the Real Time (A ghost bus).
But lets not for get that that’s a bus load of people now being squeezed onto the following service. Which causes buses to fill up faster than anticipated, leaving people left at bus stops.
Those are the two number one things that cause passenger frustration, which pushes people into cars.
Traffic caused by drivers creates more drivers. The only solution is militant bus priority, with bus lanes, Camera enforcement and actual punishment for drivers.
I live on the Finglas Road and the bus lane that leads up to the junction with Old Finglas Road might as well not be there as its always full of drivers turning left. Breaking the law, delaying the network and making the problem worse for everyone, without any repercussions.
That’s what I mean when I say we need to talk about the efficiency of the network. How many bus journeys are lost due to congestion, because we can sit still for 5 years and wait for a rail line to be built or upgraded or we can do everything in our power to make sure what we have now works to its MAXIMUM capacity.
Hard to justify it when public transport is a mess
I mean they have the ultra low emissions zone in London which is basically the same thing. London also has an extensive metro system plus buses and it’s still one of the most congested cities anywhere.
So I’m not sure how this would benefit the people of Dublin considering the public transport system is piss poor.
How about we charge companies who can work from home a congestion charge for needlessly bringing traffic into the city and needlessly filling seats on public transport.
Unless they can prove it’s essential someone needs to be in an office, they don’t get an exemption from the charge.
Instead, go a stage further. Green Tax the central city companies that have banned remote work. Use an increasing daily rate over each month.
Work from home entitlements.
Now who’s the populist party?
The biggest issue imo is the traffic going into the City from what should be commutable distances if public transport was done right that and the resistance to work from home.
I live roughly half an hour away from 2 train stations yet when I worked in Dublin I had to drive as there was no train early enough to get me in for nine and I know a fair few people in the same boat.
As for WFH it has the obvious benefits of taking traffic out of the City but also the added benefit of easing pressure on housing in Dublin +revitalizing rural towns and villages.
My local village had been on the verge of losing the last shop and pub for the last 10ish years. Since COVID and WFH there has been 20 + families moved into the area (locals returning and blow ins) and as a result a second pub/ restaurant and a coffee shop has opened the village is buzzing again.
WFH would solve most of this.
Make roads all one way flowing to specific key locations (I.e. Multi story car parks) and keep everything moving. Ideally off from the busiest pedestrian roads.
Pedestrianise everything else with bus routes. Remove all on street parking.
Free shuttle on mass for within centre commuting. Push other operators towards the boundaries to change over to shuttles.
Permits for deliveries or for door step access.
Specific access for local residents to and from the one way system if they have a driveway or loading.
Litterally thousands of options.