Like I’ve said elsewhere, the real elephant in the room for Europe and by extension the entire free world is not the idea that America is no longer a reliable ally.
It’s the growing likelihood that America is now a threat to the free world; an imperialist power that behaves just like Russia and China. This is such a terrifying prospect that no international politician even wants to discuss it in public. I do hope they have had discussions in private instead of waiting for the tariff / sanction / military hammer to fall on them.
HumanSquare9453 on
Europe should stop sending strong worded letter and instead send troop in Greenland. Not doing it is an admission of weakness. Anyway their not using it them anywhere else right now
NovaDarkFox on
Hopefully, the EU will take that as a lesson and learn that the US has always been and will always be unreliable.
I would like to see a European army now.
Diegomax22 on
We already lost it since 1945 with De Gaulle teachings.
No-Confidence-9191 on
Very good article. Painfully to read yet so true. Europe is weak and hence has to swallow the humiliation which is around the corner. Not concession, not political maneuvering. Geostrategic humiliation and a realisation that they are nothing more than a plaything for the people with guns and the willingness to use them.
Economy-Bumblebee215 on
I don’t want US to take Greenland. However maybe it’s what will wake Europe tf up. We’re doing a lot but we need to do more.
GlesgaBawbag on
Yet the UK just did this.
“The UK will be at the leading edge of defence innovation as the government signs a new partnership with Palantir to unlock billions in investment and deliver on the Government’s Plan for Change”.
Embarrassing.
myaccountgotbanmed on
As an Aussie I’m watching this thinking we need to ally ourselves w someone else. USA is way too unreliable.
What if they decide they want some of our minerals or something, what’s gonna stop them helping themselves
Island_Monkey86 on
No one fears the US in Europe, they will not attack the EU. They fear the lack of accountability and the lack of predictably of one man’s actions and the effect these have on the economy and global stability. The US stands to loose a lot, if they mess with Nato / Europe. Both sides would be hit hard.
Were talking billions in arms sales, the loss of strategically significant army bases in Europe, which are heavily funded by Europe, the loss of vital allies and so much more.
This is a far more complex than people make out. Europe is not the damsel in distress tha the the US would like you to think.
butwhywedothis on
The main problem is, Europe in general is not vocal when they fight back. The tone always seems mild which is taken for weakness by Americans. Europe needs to speak the same language, at least with this administration.
If they talk about taking Greenland, tell them Europe will discuss with California governor directly to start referendum for it to become California republic. Fight their aggression with aggression.
The time for mildness is over.
Bango-TSW on
It’s not just the extra money that all European nations (excluding Russia of course) will have to pay on their defence, but also the change in mindset that wars were something that only happened in far-off lands that could be avoided through politics and the adoption of neutrality and non-aggression.
MJGB714 on
Scotland needs to confiscate his crappy golf course. Hit him where it hurts.
alexice89 on
Germany needs to stop having ww2 shame and arm up. Rest of EU will follow.
CharmingJackfruit167 on
No worries, it will be a peaceful referendum.
utsuriga on
OK I’m officially tired of these posts.
Yes, we KNOW the US is not a reliable ally (or even an ally) anymore. We KNOW.
Do we *really* need fifty posts/day of various levels of fearmongering and doomerism, about this, with pointless conversations going in circles? It’s starting to affect my mental health at this point.
cayneloop on
well i didn’t know leopards will eat MY face !!!!
BaddonAOE on
Actually, I do not think the United States is an unreliable ally, nor do I believe that Europe should be afraid of being abandoned.
Rather, I think the American political elite has realized that the war in Ukraine has been contributing to a gradual strengthening of Europe, and therefore to a slow increase in its strategic autonomy. Not in a dramatic or sudden way, but step by step.
This is likely what concerns US leaders the most: the emergence of a stronger and more independent Europe. One that develops its own defense industry, its own technological ecosystems, and its own strategic priorities. Such a shift would significantly alter the current balance.
In that scenario, the United States would not lose its influence through conflict, but through rebalancing. A Europe that no longer depends as heavily on American weapons, technology, and strategic leadership would inevitably reduce US global leverage, potentially accelerating a relative shift of power toward China.
This is why USA tries currently to afraid us.
Suspicious-Spot1651 on
What are we waiting to close their military bases ?
waterkip on
NATO needs to be disolved or expunge the US. Pick whatever one that leads to a European defense force. Europe also needs to step away from American made defense material.
The US cannot be trusted at this point and it will take decades to regain that trust.
katunar3000 on
Europe is still sleeping I guess
Commercial-Ad7119 on
Article is already out of date as GB France Dental and Her will provide trips to Greenland.
KinkySouthAsian on
It’s already begun. Boycott all American products and services.
Successful-Plenty-27 on
I doubt the US could take Greenland and go into conflict with Europe without growing resistance from within.
We should always look at the current US in the context of a very polarized political spectrum, and that is an advantage which can be exploited.
Let the US take Greenland if they really insist, dont spilll too much blood over a territory with a small population, we are no match for them in a direct confrontation, and even if we were, it would be a bad idea, it would only amuse the rest of the world and inspire other enemies to take action.
Play the long game and support the American opposition, Trump could lead the US into civil war and then Denmark can just take Greenland back.
Americans are not Russians, they will not just let their state be dismantled into a pseudo-democracy.
BigMonsterDck on
EU forming an alliance with China, Iran and Russia would be the biggest “fuck you” in human history.
Sjakkoo on
America finally stood up for itselfs
NeatUsed on
The reason that Trump sided with putin this time is not only because he’s compromised by Epstein files.
It is also because Maga regime thinks that Western Europe should’ve been annexed territories of USA.
Once Ukraine falls through we can expect world war 3 with USA invading from France and Russia invading from East. We are sooooooo cooked.
Excellent_Ad4250 on
Go into Ukraine, bring them into Europe. Use their experience to prepare for potential another aggression.
Hot-Section1805 on
it’s regrettable when the “a” in ally turns into “bu”
parnassus744 on
Europe needs to finally pull its head out and learn to walk on its own. But even with every possible alarm signal telling them to get it together and ramp up your defense massively— they can’t and they won’t. Still so completely naive and delusional. Sad really, how naked and alone they stand there. But they’ll only have themselves to blame when it’s too late.
Few-Ad-139 on
It wasn’t for the lack of warning from many people. Can we finally take care of our defense and industry or will we continue to pretend that of all the places in the world, it’s Europe who lacks the money to invest in its own survival? That BS lead us to where we are. Will we continue?
bidingmytime121 on
I remember when I posted a few weeks ago where I wrote that the US is not only no ally anymore, but an enemy, I was accused of „watching to many movies“ by 3 Americans in this sub…
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We’re cooked
Like I’ve said elsewhere, the real elephant in the room for Europe and by extension the entire free world is not the idea that America is no longer a reliable ally.
It’s the growing likelihood that America is now a threat to the free world; an imperialist power that behaves just like Russia and China. This is such a terrifying prospect that no international politician even wants to discuss it in public. I do hope they have had discussions in private instead of waiting for the tariff / sanction / military hammer to fall on them.
Europe should stop sending strong worded letter and instead send troop in Greenland. Not doing it is an admission of weakness. Anyway their not using it them anywhere else right now
Hopefully, the EU will take that as a lesson and learn that the US has always been and will always be unreliable.
I would like to see a European army now.
We already lost it since 1945 with De Gaulle teachings.
Very good article. Painfully to read yet so true. Europe is weak and hence has to swallow the humiliation which is around the corner. Not concession, not political maneuvering. Geostrategic humiliation and a realisation that they are nothing more than a plaything for the people with guns and the willingness to use them.
I don’t want US to take Greenland. However maybe it’s what will wake Europe tf up. We’re doing a lot but we need to do more.
Yet the UK just did this.
“The UK will be at the leading edge of defence innovation as the government signs a new partnership with Palantir to unlock billions in investment and deliver on the Government’s Plan for Change”.
Embarrassing.
As an Aussie I’m watching this thinking we need to ally ourselves w someone else. USA is way too unreliable.
What if they decide they want some of our minerals or something, what’s gonna stop them helping themselves
No one fears the US in Europe, they will not attack the EU. They fear the lack of accountability and the lack of predictably of one man’s actions and the effect these have on the economy and global stability. The US stands to loose a lot, if they mess with Nato / Europe. Both sides would be hit hard.
Were talking billions in arms sales, the loss of strategically significant army bases in Europe, which are heavily funded by Europe, the loss of vital allies and so much more.
This is a far more complex than people make out. Europe is not the damsel in distress tha the the US would like you to think.
The main problem is, Europe in general is not vocal when they fight back. The tone always seems mild which is taken for weakness by Americans. Europe needs to speak the same language, at least with this administration.
If they talk about taking Greenland, tell them Europe will discuss with California governor directly to start referendum for it to become California republic. Fight their aggression with aggression.
The time for mildness is over.
It’s not just the extra money that all European nations (excluding Russia of course) will have to pay on their defence, but also the change in mindset that wars were something that only happened in far-off lands that could be avoided through politics and the adoption of neutrality and non-aggression.
Scotland needs to confiscate his crappy golf course. Hit him where it hurts.
Germany needs to stop having ww2 shame and arm up. Rest of EU will follow.
No worries, it will be a peaceful referendum.
OK I’m officially tired of these posts.
Yes, we KNOW the US is not a reliable ally (or even an ally) anymore. We KNOW.
Do we *really* need fifty posts/day of various levels of fearmongering and doomerism, about this, with pointless conversations going in circles? It’s starting to affect my mental health at this point.
well i didn’t know leopards will eat MY face !!!!
Actually, I do not think the United States is an unreliable ally, nor do I believe that Europe should be afraid of being abandoned.
Rather, I think the American political elite has realized that the war in Ukraine has been contributing to a gradual strengthening of Europe, and therefore to a slow increase in its strategic autonomy. Not in a dramatic or sudden way, but step by step.
This is likely what concerns US leaders the most: the emergence of a stronger and more independent Europe. One that develops its own defense industry, its own technological ecosystems, and its own strategic priorities. Such a shift would significantly alter the current balance.
In that scenario, the United States would not lose its influence through conflict, but through rebalancing. A Europe that no longer depends as heavily on American weapons, technology, and strategic leadership would inevitably reduce US global leverage, potentially accelerating a relative shift of power toward China.
This is why USA tries currently to afraid us.
What are we waiting to close their military bases ?
NATO needs to be disolved or expunge the US. Pick whatever one that leads to a European defense force. Europe also needs to step away from American made defense material.
The US cannot be trusted at this point and it will take decades to regain that trust.
Europe is still sleeping I guess
Article is already out of date as GB France Dental and Her will provide trips to Greenland.
It’s already begun. Boycott all American products and services.
I doubt the US could take Greenland and go into conflict with Europe without growing resistance from within.
We should always look at the current US in the context of a very polarized political spectrum, and that is an advantage which can be exploited.
Let the US take Greenland if they really insist, dont spilll too much blood over a territory with a small population, we are no match for them in a direct confrontation, and even if we were, it would be a bad idea, it would only amuse the rest of the world and inspire other enemies to take action.
Play the long game and support the American opposition, Trump could lead the US into civil war and then Denmark can just take Greenland back.
Americans are not Russians, they will not just let their state be dismantled into a pseudo-democracy.
EU forming an alliance with China, Iran and Russia would be the biggest “fuck you” in human history.
America finally stood up for itselfs
The reason that Trump sided with putin this time is not only because he’s compromised by Epstein files.
It is also because Maga regime thinks that Western Europe should’ve been annexed territories of USA.
Once Ukraine falls through we can expect world war 3 with USA invading from France and Russia invading from East. We are sooooooo cooked.
Go into Ukraine, bring them into Europe. Use their experience to prepare for potential another aggression.
it’s regrettable when the “a” in ally turns into “bu”
Europe needs to finally pull its head out and learn to walk on its own. But even with every possible alarm signal telling them to get it together and ramp up your defense massively— they can’t and they won’t. Still so completely naive and delusional. Sad really, how naked and alone they stand there. But they’ll only have themselves to blame when it’s too late.
It wasn’t for the lack of warning from many people. Can we finally take care of our defense and industry or will we continue to pretend that of all the places in the world, it’s Europe who lacks the money to invest in its own survival? That BS lead us to where we are. Will we continue?
I remember when I posted a few weeks ago where I wrote that the US is not only no ally anymore, but an enemy, I was accused of „watching to many movies“ by 3 Americans in this sub…