Perché la Germania sta discutendo di avere le proprie armi nucleari
https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/warum-deutschland-ueber-eigene-atomwaffen-diskutiert-accg-110812729.html
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41 commenti
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We are?
Is it? Germany literally shut down its nuclear power plants for no reason…
Are they REALLY discussing it, or are they “discussing” it?
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havent read the article yet but whether they are discussing it or not, the “why” in the headline is just dumb, given current events is it really necessary to ask why?
pls no.
Need asap
Every European nation should develop their own nuclear weapons after the events in Ukraine and Venezuela. A nation without nuclear weapons is a prey.
Because they might need them to keep the orcs at bay.
Europe should definitely make its own stockpile of nuclear weapons. The US can’t be trusted anymore, by consequence the nuclear umbrella is done for
Europe needs deterrence. Of course nuclear deterrence would be an option for a country like Germany, but a first, powerful form of deterrence should be unity. The EU alone (without counting our close allies) is the 2nd largest economy in the world! It has the potential to apply immense pressure to Trump and push back effectively against the world order Trump and Putin are trying to create. It only needs decisiveness (returning back to the article, it would be wildly decisive for Germany to actually move on with something like this. It just doesn’t much the profile/image that we have for Germany and other European powers).
Hopefully Poland, Romania, Finland will follow!
As long as we have the french it’s way to expensive.
I wish they didn’t need them. They shouldn’t need them. No one should need nuclear weapons, because they are never used. And when they DO get used, it’ll lead to a chain reaction of nuclear missile firings that will bring about the end of modern human society.
I hate how a handful of small dicked, angry rich men are deciding the future of a world they won’t even get to see. It’s ludicrous how we arrived at this point. Personal ego trips are more important than world peace and/or stability it seems.
Welcome to the human race! You lost.
every nation should think about it now that the US turned rogue state. Unfortunately
I don’t have any problem with Germany acquiring nuclear weapons, but I don’t think it’s very likely politically, nor is it meaningfully possible within the timeframe that the article lists. 3-5 years is not remotely sufficient time to make even rudimentary weapons, let alone the kinds that would be most likely to be politically acceptable in Germany; at least not without a colossal amount of French or British help (which help would undoubtedly come with significant political challenges of its own).
If the political hurdles to make a decision to acquire the weapons are overcome – a process I expect would take at least 5 years itself – then there’d have to be a long conversation about what form a German deterrent should take. The UK operates probably the minimum credible deterrent – is Germany going to go that far? If so then in addition to the production of fissile material and the science behind nuclear weapons design and manufacture Germany will have to develop some form of launch platform and delivery vehicle, projects that span more than a decade even for those nations with experience in them. If the plan is just to have a warhead that they can stick on Taurus and fire without needing permission from another nation that’s substantially easier, but it leads to a lot questions about the viability of the deterrent (there is, after all, a reason the US / UK / France moved away from bomber-carried cruise missiles as their main deterrent), which I think adds to the political problems of the idea.
>The Chancellor and the leading security policy experts of his party express similar views. Friedrich Merz told the FAZ in October that he was not currently considering a German bomb. Hardt believes it will “not be necessary,” and Röwekamp rules it out “definitely.”
Actually clickbait. Lol
Germany, as well as some other nations, has enough enriched uranium and the facility to build a nuclear weapon in months.
Germany decided, for no good reason, to shut down its civil nuclear plants mostly driven by overblown fear of radiation. The majority of the population is never going to support running nuclear plants for breeding plutonium, fuel processing and uranium core production facilities. Plus, where the heck are they going to put it all? They don’t exactly have thousands of square kilometers of conveniently empty desert like the US did in the 40s.
Isn’t the answer obvious? Recent events?
Fuck no.
You should probably start with reactors first.
Nukes are so last session, can we skip that and get something fresh? Like a microwave canon that pushes satellites out of orbit? ^^
It would be great if they were discussing it, but I’m afraid they won’t be discussing it for at least 10 more years.
German society is allergic to change and everything moves at a snail’s pace. And they were brainwashed for decades by naive hippie pacifism.
If we decided today, we could do it in 30 years. But even the decision phase would take 10 years. Most people don’t understand just how slow Germany is. Even a fucking train station takes 32 years (and counting).
To later abandon it in favor of coal weapons? 😁
Having them might sound great for security at first until you realize in only takes one madman in any country.
They mostly work for Russia, because people have somehow convinced themselves that the Russian regime will do the only thing that would definitely destroy the Russia regime. Instead of us doing things that would lead to their downfall…
There are probably some secret “minor” nuclear weapons in dozens of industrialized countries across the world.
It is not wrong now that both russia and usa is going for the fascist theory of “the strongest dictates your country and its future” It may result in a nuclear war that eradicates humans, maybe every single human. But the positive thing is that evolution wont stop. A nuclear war doesn’t eradicate life itself. It will be better for humans than have fascist run everything. Life under fascism is not worth to live.
Isnt there a clause that most countries signed about not making nukes. I mean im not against more european countries making them but that would be a greeen light to all countries around the world that they can make them. And nukes arent exacly advanced tech, they are 80 years old at this point so most countries could probably make their own.
Germany is a member of the NPT, and so long as France remains a member of the EU and keeps Germany under their nuclear umbrella, there is no world in which I see them violating that treaty to pursue nuclear weapons (nevermind that they still remain under the US and UK nuclear umbrellas as well as part of NATO). Nukes are expensive, complicated, and politically volatile. There is no reason to seek one’s own unless you have no nuclear capable allies.
Germany of all nations seeking nuclear weapons would signal to everyone that non-proliferation is dead and it’s every country for itself.
We ll see when Germany takes actual steps instead of talking. Withdrawing from the NTP, constitutional changes, etc.
So far we’ve seen lots of cheap talk, I doubt the US (and others) will be keen on it. It’s their fault, but expect momentous pressures if not more.
I’m not even talking about a nuclear response when it come to an imaginary Russian one. It’s just even our greedy spineless Western leaders couldn’t turn a blind to them nuking a city. This will not happen. And certainly not for things like Ukraine getting missiles. That’s not even in the top 5 of things one could to Russia if one were serious.
It would be best if Germany has their own nukes. The US can’t be trusted, and the French/UK are not willing to share them, their arsenal is far to weak and I doubt that the upcoming right-wing governments will use them to protect Germany. So relying on them will be even worse than relying on the US
The best options would honestly that the UK, France, Italy, Germany and maybe poland work together to grow our nuclear detterence.
Défi sing to go from 0 would cost a shit ton of money, we are talking about several dozen of billions in research, test, and construction.
What I propose : France and the UK grow their number of nuclear Warhead and we out them in poland, Germany, and italy. But in silo or ready to by talent by a fighter jet.
With a double key system.
I am for it. They are the only thing that keeps pedophile rapists and mass murderers away.
im sure germany will only use nukes as part of some kind of final solution
Because they always have a knack for Wunderwaffe, not that it helped them, lol.
Denmark should be making some. I’d say 100 is a good start. After all, the only defence against bully is the capability to destroy it (effectively) with one blow.
You just need to put down capital and other political and economic centres, significant naval and air bases, perhaps army bases too, biggest support population centres of the current regime and major energy industry locations. You have to spare the major opposition support areas as much as possible.
For delivery there’s many methods. It can be missile or it can be just hidden in sea cargo and dropped to sea to be towed by some friendly yacht owner.
Yeah no, I don’t want to see the AFD (and since the CDU is cozying up to them already and 30% of the electorate is terminally brainwashed they surely will be part of the next government) in charge of nukes.