Ciao a tutti!
Io e il mio compagno stiamo seriamente pensando di trasferirci o Katowice o Breslavia. Veniamo dall’UE. Siamo interessati principalmente alle città del parte sud-occidentale della Poloniama siamo aperti ad altri consigli se ci sono aree che offrono un migliore equilibrio per il nostro stile di vita. Ciò che conta di più per noi è trovare un posto con buon accesso alla natura e forti opportunità di lavoro.
Abbiamo visitato entrambe le città lo scorso settembre e ci è piaciuta molto l’architettura, il mix di vecchio e nuovo e l’atmosfera generale di “sviluppo”.
Apprezzeremmo molto i consigli della gente del posto e degli espatriati su alcuni argomenti:
- Gestiremmo la vita quotidiana utilizzando solo inglese (negozi, medici, uffici pubblici, pratiche burocratiche, vicini di casa)?
- Lavora dentro Informatica/programmazionee lavoro in formazione/marketing. Quanto è realistico trovare lavoro a Katowice o nei suoi dintorni Solo inglese?
- Stiamo progettando di farlo comprare un appartamento (non affittare). Il nostro budget è fino a 120.000 euro (escluse spese notarili e tasse):
- Quali quartieri o zone vicine consiglieresti (sicuri, ben collegati, non troppo rumorosi, con qualche accesso agli spazi verdi)?
- Ci sono aree che personalmente eviteresti?
- Com’è trasporto pubblico e pendolarismo all’interno di Katowice/Wrocław e nella più ampia area della Slesia?
- Qual è la situazione? natura e spazi verdi in giro entrambe le città? Dove vanno solitamente i locali per passeggiate, laghi, escursioni o relax all’aria aperta?
- Di che genere attività del fine settimana sono popolari (sia all’aperto che al chiuso: spa, sauna, piscine, cultura, eventi, ecc.)?
- Com’è il comunità dalla mentalità aperta a Katowice / Breslavia e nella regione della Slesia?
- Com’è il qualità dell’aria tutto l’anno? Abbiamo letto opinioni contrastanti e ci piacerebbe una prospettiva locale.
- Qualsiasi generale consigli per gli stranieri che acquistano proprietà in Polonia (insidie comuni, pratiche burocratiche, cose da controllare)?
Qualsiasi esperienza o consiglio personale significherebbe molto per noi.
Grazie mille! 🌿
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di No-Egg8643
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120k euro won’t get you more than 40sq m outside the city centre in any of those cities. Are you aware of that? and the rental market is wild west. There’s basically no regulation around that.
Wrocław is much bigger city (although Katowice is part of big metro area, but there’s not one “central” city there). There will be more corporate jobs, more immigrants etc. there.
Katowice area used to be industrial backbone of country – with lots of mines, steelworks and other heavy industry. It is changing quickly but its industrial past is still clearly visible.
Air will be better in Wrocław.
Biggest drawback of Wrocław here will be prices – especially of properties. Your 120k eur will leave you very little choice there. Katowice are quite cheaper, but still I wouldn’t expect much.
Also I would recommend against buying flat in foreign country, foreign city without living there first. You might not get what you were hoping for. And money will be gone.
Kraków and Warszawa are the biggest markets for IT in Poland.
I was studying in Wrocław around 11 years ago and I sometimes visit it. City is beatufiul but I feel that it’s in stagnation state. Not top much green areas in the city, communication within the city is medium. Outside of the city there is Ślęża mountian for example. Katowice is closer to the mountians, which are interesting green area.
Probably Wrocław is more “open minded” because a lot of people from abroad live there – mostly students.
In Katowice flats are cheaper.
I am not living there right now.
I consider moving to Warsaw or Katowice.
Wrocław is better overall IMO. Katowice has been doing well lately, but it’s still a post-industrial city, and not very walkable in many places. Wrocław is beautiful, vibrant, full of students, very relaxed, and has a strong technological sector. On top of that, it has a beautiful river and many scenic areas around it. Katowice doesn’t have that. But I recommend paying a visit as tourists to see for yourself before making a decision.
„He works in IT/programming, and I work in education / marketing…”
My colleague, a programmer with 20 years of experience working for a bank with C1 Polish and English, has been looking for a job across Poland for six months. The offers only started coming in, when he lowered salary expectations. The job market for programmers across Europe is terrible. It’s a mistake to assume that migration will help. Marketing and education are, after all, equally problematic industries. You have big plans, but I think you should research this topic first, simply by checking how you deal with Polish job market.
Katowice and Wrocław aren’t in the same voivodeship that you marked on the map. Katowice is Upper Silesia and Wrocław is Lower Silesia, which you marked on the map.
Wroclaw is awesome, go there
The air quality is terrible. It’s worse in Wrocław, but I don’t think it’s much better in Katowice. I know people who moved from Kraków (same air quality problem) to Gdańsk because of their children’s health issues. Until this problem is solved in Poland, I would only choose Gdańsk, even though I come from the region you are writing about.