We would be significantly safer with Ukraine in NATO. Eject traitor nation Hungary and let in Ukraine.
G_UK on
Honestly, we should welcome Ukraine into NATO, their forces have show incredible skill and ingenuity in the face of Russia.
mydadisbald_ on
On what level? I’m sure they have strong morale and have gone through a significant transformation during this war.
But from what I have seen and heard from people there the organizational leading of troops is quite soviet-like and lacks modern struckures especially on non-com levels. For these reasons many international soldiers have decided to no longer take part. Handling of equpment is also not correct in many cases. Mortar teams run away from the mortars during firing on the videos i’ve seen.
This is not take anything away from the war effort and the incredible fight the Ukranian people have put up against all odds. It just seems to me that we often romanticize apsects of Ukraine without actual knowledge on almost propaganda levels of misinformation. I understand that this is a part of war and on some levels must be done, but to say that Ukraine is a model for all NATO countries might be a bit of a strech.
The article is short and lacks content so it is hard to say what was meant with this comment.
GremlinX_ll on
>He warned that the most dangerous scenario for Poland would be if Ukraine, which wants to join the EU, lost faith in becoming part of the West.
>He said that if Europe rejected Ukraine, a political force could emerge in Kyiv in a few years that could say the country had “made a mistake” by looking to the West.
>“Then we have the biggest problem – a huge, strong Ukrainian army that looks towards Moscow and is turned against the West,” he said.
Lost faith in becoming fully pledged part of the West in fact possible, but to some degree only, because alternatives are worse (yes, alternatives, not alternative) and everyone understand this.
However, we understand that no everyone wants us to see there for various of reasons.
>**‘Poland deserves Nobel Peace Prize’**
[angry orange baboon noises from the white house]
Constant-Theory-154 on
One can endlessly enjoy NATO ground exercises, their equipment, precision, beauty, but all of this is meaningless when the exercises are conducted in an “imaginary world without FPV.” Well, secondly, training is training. The experience of war is the experience of war (the experience of unexpected, unpredictable situations is key).
GinofromUkraine on
I’m Ukrainian, nevertheless I believe that Ukrainian army structure, strategy and tactics could be (very?) different if Ukraine had let’s say 300-500 F-35 (with lots of ammo and combined with AWACS and other necessary assets) AND produced/had access to thousands of ballistic and top notch cruise missiles per year. I want to say that Ukrainian army or at least some most advanced units thereof, excel in what they do but they HAVE TO do it this way because of the limitations we have. If those limitations didn’t exist then the picture could be quite different.
SeriesDowntown5947 on
Ya. There drone based tactical structure along with strong common sense eg reduced reliance on front line female solders etc. That is a real working army compared with say germany which will have to reorganise somewhat or face the realities of captured solders etc
this_toe_shall_pass on
The usual disconnect between what was said and what provocative title the “journalists” plastered on top.
What he said:
>The **transformation** of the Ukrainian army over these four years is an example and **a point of reference** for all NATO armies.
I understand it as “the transformation” of the UAF from what it was before the war to what it is today, adaptability, resilience and determination is a point of reference for NATO. Not that UAF structure and doctrine is a model for NATO to follow. Preparing for having staying power in terms of large munition stocks, training that emphasizes adaptability and the institutional will to change are aspirational regardless of army. Well maybe not the Russian army that doesn’t trust it’s field officers and needs to lead top down to prevent any Prigozhin style aspirations.
Flaky-Jim on
The main lesson we’re learning from the war in Ukraine is that European forces need to be adaptable and innovative.
The rapid evolution of drone technology, in terms of their development, deployment, and use on the battlefield, require a far more flexible system for procurement than at present. Forces simply cannot wait months or years for armaments to be selected and approved. By then, the technology is out of date.
dat_9600gt_user on
Franciszek Józef Beszłej, edited by: Piotr Kononczuk 24.02.2026, 12:33
**Ukraine’s army has become a model for all NATO militaries after four years of war with Russia, Poland’s defense minister said on Tuesday, four years to the day after the conflict broke out.**
Speaking at a news conference in the lower house of the Polish parliament in Warsaw, Władysław Kosiniak-Kamysz praised Ukraine’s resilience since Moscow launched its full-scale attack on February 24, 2022.
“Ukraine has proved how strong a state it is and how it can defend itself,” he said. “The transformation of the Ukrainian army over these four years is an example and a point of reference for all NATO armies.”
# Most dangerous scenario
He warned that the most dangerous scenario for Poland would be if Ukraine, which wants to join the EU, lost faith in becoming part of the West.
He said that if Europe rejected Ukraine, a political force could emerge in Kyiv in a few years that could say the country had “made a mistake” by looking to the West.
“Then we have the biggest problem – a huge, strong Ukrainian army that looks towards Moscow and is turned against the West,” he said.
# ‘Poland deserves Nobel Peace Prize’
Kosiniak-Kamysz thanked Polish citizens for welcoming Ukrainians who fled the war. Poland, a member of the European Union and the NATO military alliance, has hosted millions of refugees since 2022.
Kosiniak-Kamysz argued that continued aid for Ukraine is necessary for two main reasons. The first, he said, is humanitarian: “If children are dying, if nurseries, hospitals and care homes are being destroyed, then we must help.”
The second is related to security: “The more the Russian Federation is worn down, the less of a threat it is to NATO countries.”
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We would be significantly safer with Ukraine in NATO. Eject traitor nation Hungary and let in Ukraine.
Honestly, we should welcome Ukraine into NATO, their forces have show incredible skill and ingenuity in the face of Russia.
On what level? I’m sure they have strong morale and have gone through a significant transformation during this war.
But from what I have seen and heard from people there the organizational leading of troops is quite soviet-like and lacks modern struckures especially on non-com levels. For these reasons many international soldiers have decided to no longer take part. Handling of equpment is also not correct in many cases. Mortar teams run away from the mortars during firing on the videos i’ve seen.
This is not take anything away from the war effort and the incredible fight the Ukranian people have put up against all odds. It just seems to me that we often romanticize apsects of Ukraine without actual knowledge on almost propaganda levels of misinformation. I understand that this is a part of war and on some levels must be done, but to say that Ukraine is a model for all NATO countries might be a bit of a strech.
The article is short and lacks content so it is hard to say what was meant with this comment.
>He warned that the most dangerous scenario for Poland would be if Ukraine, which wants to join the EU, lost faith in becoming part of the West.
>He said that if Europe rejected Ukraine, a political force could emerge in Kyiv in a few years that could say the country had “made a mistake” by looking to the West.
>“Then we have the biggest problem – a huge, strong Ukrainian army that looks towards Moscow and is turned against the West,” he said.
Lost faith in becoming fully pledged part of the West in fact possible, but to some degree only, because alternatives are worse (yes, alternatives, not alternative) and everyone understand this.
However, we understand that no everyone wants us to see there for various of reasons.
>**‘Poland deserves Nobel Peace Prize’**
[angry orange baboon noises from the white house]
One can endlessly enjoy NATO ground exercises, their equipment, precision, beauty, but all of this is meaningless when the exercises are conducted in an “imaginary world without FPV.” Well, secondly, training is training. The experience of war is the experience of war (the experience of unexpected, unpredictable situations is key).
I’m Ukrainian, nevertheless I believe that Ukrainian army structure, strategy and tactics could be (very?) different if Ukraine had let’s say 300-500 F-35 (with lots of ammo and combined with AWACS and other necessary assets) AND produced/had access to thousands of ballistic and top notch cruise missiles per year. I want to say that Ukrainian army or at least some most advanced units thereof, excel in what they do but they HAVE TO do it this way because of the limitations we have. If those limitations didn’t exist then the picture could be quite different.
Ya. There drone based tactical structure along with strong common sense eg reduced reliance on front line female solders etc. That is a real working army compared with say germany which will have to reorganise somewhat or face the realities of captured solders etc
The usual disconnect between what was said and what provocative title the “journalists” plastered on top.
What he said:
>The **transformation** of the Ukrainian army over these four years is an example and **a point of reference** for all NATO armies.
I understand it as “the transformation” of the UAF from what it was before the war to what it is today, adaptability, resilience and determination is a point of reference for NATO. Not that UAF structure and doctrine is a model for NATO to follow. Preparing for having staying power in terms of large munition stocks, training that emphasizes adaptability and the institutional will to change are aspirational regardless of army. Well maybe not the Russian army that doesn’t trust it’s field officers and needs to lead top down to prevent any Prigozhin style aspirations.
The main lesson we’re learning from the war in Ukraine is that European forces need to be adaptable and innovative.
The rapid evolution of drone technology, in terms of their development, deployment, and use on the battlefield, require a far more flexible system for procurement than at present. Forces simply cannot wait months or years for armaments to be selected and approved. By then, the technology is out of date.
Franciszek Józef Beszłej, edited by: Piotr Kononczuk 24.02.2026, 12:33
**Ukraine’s army has become a model for all NATO militaries after four years of war with Russia, Poland’s defense minister said on Tuesday, four years to the day after the conflict broke out.**
Speaking at a news conference in the lower house of the Polish parliament in Warsaw, Władysław Kosiniak-Kamysz praised Ukraine’s resilience since Moscow launched its full-scale attack on February 24, 2022.
“Ukraine has proved how strong a state it is and how it can defend itself,” he said. “The transformation of the Ukrainian army over these four years is an example and a point of reference for all NATO armies.”
# Most dangerous scenario
He warned that the most dangerous scenario for Poland would be if Ukraine, which wants to join the EU, lost faith in becoming part of the West.
He said that if Europe rejected Ukraine, a political force could emerge in Kyiv in a few years that could say the country had “made a mistake” by looking to the West.
“Then we have the biggest problem – a huge, strong Ukrainian army that looks towards Moscow and is turned against the West,” he said.
# ‘Poland deserves Nobel Peace Prize’
Kosiniak-Kamysz thanked Polish citizens for welcoming Ukrainians who fled the war. Poland, a member of the European Union and the NATO military alliance, has hosted millions of refugees since 2022.
The defense minister said the [fourth anniversary](https://tvpworld.com/91745780/four-years-since-24-feb-2022-what-russias-invasion-of-ukraine-looks-like-today) of the conflict is also a moment to recognize Polish society’s response: “Poland deserves the Nobel Peace Prize – Poles, as a whole community, for what we did together in the first days after the outbreak of the war.”
Kosiniak-Kamysz argued that continued aid for Ukraine is necessary for two main reasons. The first, he said, is humanitarian: “If children are dying, if nurseries, hospitals and care homes are being destroyed, then we must help.”
The second is related to security: “The more the Russian Federation is worn down, the less of a threat it is to NATO countries.”