Separate from America: una serie sulla nostra (in)dipendenza dagli Stati Uniti – Dovremmo dire addio a Hollywood? A causa del predominio dei film e della musica americani, la cultura americana spesso sembra più familiare di quella dei nostri vicini europei. La domanda è: dovremmo volerlo?
https://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/artikel/2601889-los-van-amerika-een-serie-over-onze-on-afhankelijkheid-van-de-vs
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The European Film Union is a vision for 2030 to integrate European cinema.
https://www.europeanfilmagencies.eu/files/News/EFAD-Positions/European_Film_Agency_Directors_-_Our_vision_for_2030.pdf
People nowadays are less interested in movies. I often hear people complain that there is no good movies anymore all the time. People nowadays are more into youtube or tiktok videos than Hollywood.
But i am good if Europe will try to push more films made in Europe
I have only watched 1 American production since 2024. Epstein Documentary – right before cancelling Netflix. Europe has a lot of great movies and series, and those also tend to be less dragged over time – not as many silent moments, difficult looks, long sighs and meaningless conversations.
With AI, movies and tv shows may soon become redundant. Even some music.
You can just think of a plot, add characters, location and ask AI to create a movie. It’s a bit expensive now but maybe not for a startup.
From personal experience I can say that after filtering out 90% of american media and “content”, life looks a lot more sane, a lot more optimistic, and a lot more profound.
European media is incomparably more mature, more nuanced, less hysterical, less divisive, less black-and-white, less shallow.
American culture is a cancer on the world
Yes
“Should we want that” does not sound like THE QUESTION. “Do we want that” does.
Cut them out, I’d day
We should consume (good) culture from all around the world. I’d understand boycotting while that chaotic government screws up the rest of the world, but that aside, I don’t see a problem in consuming their culture. Funny thing is that lately they produce so much garbage that there isn’t much worth consuming, compared to what’s been produced by Asia and South America.
From what I could gather from the article, the issue isn’t just about the dominance of American films and music, but about American dominance across the board- from culture through defense all the way to software.
The U.S. is everywhere, which inevitably creates a sense that everything European is secondary.
But in my comment, I’ll focus only on cinema.
What European cinema truly lacks is shared themes.
There’s no sense of a pan-European identity.
As a result, if a film is made in the U.S., it’s, to some extent, relevant to an audience of 300 million people.
But when you watch a European film, it usually speaks to, at most, a few tens of millions of Europeans.
For the rest of Europe, it feels just as foreign as an American one.
Second, there’s a lack of fresh concepts and big budgets—at the same time.
Cinema is mass culture. It requires scale in execution.
And third: consistency. There’s no sense that European cinema can cover all genre niches the way American cinema can.
At the same time, European cinema certainly has its strengths—depth of storytelling, subtlety of humor, or satire.
But all of this comes with low budgets, so whenever a screenwriter, director, or actor manages to break through, they get poached by Hollywood—and more often than not, their talent goes to waste there.
Then we need a European Tom Cruise.
Totally depends on the movie.
I wouldnt watch the patriotic BS movies anymore.
Earlier we watched just as many French and Italian films as Hollywood ones.
Here I mean pretty commercial films, not just the artsy type. Then step-by-step they disappeared from cinemas, and we were left with US stuff where you can predict the whole plot just by looking at the posters.
As a Canadian who grew up in a media landscape dominated by American media, absolutely cut it loose
We used tohave healthy amount of Canadian made media but its been declining for decades… the results have been detrimental to our national identity (especially since conservative PM allowed Americans to buy up most of our news media)
Were not as far gone as America but there has been a steady slide away from Canadian values and culture for a while, sliding toward American style everything – truly scary, dont let it happen to your country
While is still a fair amount of subversive, worthwhile American stuff, (especially older things) there is no reason to spend any time or money on american content.
Hollywood sucks, and has always been a propaganda engine, but American culture *in general* has good and bad things.
While things seem terrible over there right now, well aware it was also other Americans who did things like founding the FSF and EFF too. Correct rejection of corpie digitial authoritarianism thus springs in part from American culture too, particularly some computing-aware American hippies (cf. Barlow + The Grateful Dead). As an Irishman I do _not_ trust current European powers to respect my [fundamental digital liberty](https://www.eff.org/cyberspace-independence) based on their track record, unfortunately. (and yes I’m aware our own national government sucks and is largely a corporate/rentseeker puppet too, believe me I voted against them but there’s still a lot of people who mindlessly vote FG/FF along old Irish civil war lines here despite the fact they’re clearly now two heads of the same problem hydra, which is a shame because our PR-STV voting system in principle allows for much better representation than most places). Empirically Europeans *don’t* need American help to be horrible historically.
I mean, Hollywood commissions less and less. They turn over 9 billion in a good year. The gaming industry is 190 billion. That means just one succesfull gaming company like Valve makes souble the money all of Hollywood does. They are sliding into cultural irrelevance.
Arté is the business. Maybe something similar could be made with a less culture first emphasis? As in more frivolous entertainment / drama..
They’ve fallen off plenty after the pandemic and all the shit that went down over there. Won’t lose any sleep over it.
no some of it is good some of it is bad but overall it is fine. Also there music culture is very good and that is really a function of their size. the US is huge there are various level to the touring bands this allows a huge number of talented musicians to work and create and perform. I’m not talking about the big stars that everyone knows but smaller less well known groups like St Vincent for her first 3 albums there is a band called “the Willard Grand Conspiracy” which I had never heard of before but saw in Dublin years ago and they were brilliant brilliant singer fantastic musicianship groups like Khrunagbin and Sylvan Esso which are not big stars but are great in their own way.
TLDR: don’t mind their film industry the music coming from the US is culturally very significant
I’d really welcome more European radio songs. In Germany you get mostly US songs with a few German ones sprinkled in and that is it unless you listen to Cosmo where there is a wider range. Would be nice if playing a Spanish or French or Italian song would not be such an event but rather the norm.
Not sure if you have been paying attention, but more and more of Hollywood is being produced in Europe and is using more and more European talent.
Getting kind of tired of the rampant xenophobia this sub