Yeah still anything but crashing the housing market. We need to keep those sweet rental paychecks as high as possible and squeeze as much of the young as we can.
Crafty_Aspect8122 on
Cough Housing Cough
Worth-Wonder-7386 on
This is one of the great challenges where we dont really understand the reasons why. In most metrics people have gotten richer, and at the same time they get fewer babies. So cost of living is not the reason for this trend to a significant degree. It is multiple reasons why it is like this.
Here is some great way to explore the data across the world: [Gapminder bubbles](https://www.gapminder.org/tools/#$model$markers$bubble$encoding$y$data$concept=children_per_woman_total_fertility&space@=geo&=time;;&scale$domain:null&zoomed:null&type:null;;&x$data$concept=gnipercapita_ppp_current_international&source=sg&space@=geo&=time;;&scale$domain:null&zoomed:null&type:null;;;;;;&chart-type=bubbles&url=v2)
orfeo34 on
Why is it everything green? 1.7 is low already.
rowandeg on
I am definitely that .34
Similar-Recover1057 on
Funny how it in the 90’s everone was very concerned about overpubulation. Not an issue anymore because it hurts economy
bamboooooooozle on
I own preschools in Poland its actually a good thing for me as all of the competition is going bankrupt and only the decent schools survive.
The issue is clearly mortgages and housing I personally know one couple who bought a house and got pregnant literally when the mortgage rates dropped the other week.
Home office is also something that no one wants to talk about. Work environment has invaded our homes and parents need the extra room as an office meaning they will not expand their family beyond one child for the foreseeable future. Even if the mortgage rates come down Apartments which are suitable for families with home office in mind are rare and expensive as hell.
johansugarev on
I couldn’t give a fuck. Having kids makes zero sense in this economy.
naakka on
Everyone who is really mystified by this needs to think about how many people you know who want 3-4 children vs how many want 0 children.
I don’t want any, I know many other women who don’t want any, I know only a few who want 3 (or especially more than 3) children even if they were millionaires. Not many people realistically want to be pregnant and raise small babies 4 times if given the choice. I can’t remember hearing any man say they want 4 kids, so I am sure that even some of the few women who want 4 kids won’t be having that many because the odds of their husband also wanting that many are very low.
Meanwhile quite many people want 1-2 children. To me it makes perfect sense that there are much more people having 0-1 children than 3-4 children. And for every woman who has 0 kids, you’d need another woman to have 4 to have an average of 2.
-Belisarios- on
How is France so high in comparision?
Any-Original-6113 on
Judging by reports from Poland, the Czech Republic, and Germany, the 2025 statistics will record another decline in the birth rate. Population growth will be solely due to immigration and an increase in life expectancy.
nadmaximus on
I don’t think I’d even go to the hospital to birth 1/3 of a baby.
Kiragalni on
I think, anything lower than 2 should be red as amount of men and women are nearly equal. So, even 1.6 is 0.8 per person.
pathosOnReddit on
Is the massive decline in teen pregnancies accounted for?
thumbtackswordsman on
Gah I’m so fed up of this alarmist charts. I don’t think women should be guilted into having kids.
rey_nerr21 on
Shoutout to the gypsies! Bumping us (Bulgaria) up in the statistics! We’d probably be like 0.9 if the statistic excluded them.
Zagrebian on
What is France doing right to have a high number?
5x0uf5o on
The replacement birthrate is 2.1 – there isn’t one single country in Europe adequately replacing the previous generations. This hasn’t really happened before in modern human history – it is going to massively challenge the capitalist model and ideas we used to take for granted around persistently increasing asset valuations.
On a social level – having smaller and smaller numbers of young people is not very good for social vibrancy, radical/new ideas, or fun in general.
P1kkie420 on
We’re a long way from replacement rate…
binary_spaniard on
Spain alreafy has data for 2025, so we should have the Eurostat map soon.
piterx87 on
Why is Turkey in the data set but not UK?
colorbluh on
France baise ouais !
2Norn on
without immirants and refugees this would be even lower lol
Littorina_Sea on
Lower one of Italy’s two dark dots kinda spooks me. How exactly?
razakii on
Very easy solution. Build more houses and reduce costs of preschool/daycare to make having a larger family more affordable. In Ireland the average age of first time buyer is 38 years old. Most educated adults would agree that raising a family in a rental(not long term secure in Ireland) is a bad idea
Emmix_x on
Kids are fricking expensive, if u wanna give them a decent childhood. Daycare, school, hobbies, all the stuff baby needs all are really expensive even with free healthcare countries.
People dont have jobs, so no stability on that part
Anything more than one room apartment is expensive, even in smaller places no matter do u rent or buy.
Lack of support to parents. Yea yea EU usually have free or nearly free healthcare, free basic education, but our child welfare is shit. Too many struggling families, too little professionals. And those professions are getting paid less and less bc they are female dominant.
Healthcare is in crisis, mental health is in crisis. People have no jobs but also we have way too little people in basically any profession. Number of jobs are reduced by companies bc of money. People are exhausted by modern work culture and many do not have strenght to get any more things into their life.
Id say money would help. Maybe not solve, but help. Most of the population is struggling through paycheck to paycheck, or are one bigger expense away from real trouble. If we had money and stable job, odds wanting to get married and having kids would rise a lot.
pronoobmage on
This is not EU fertility rate, this is EEC fertility rate, two different things.
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[https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/en/web/products-eurostat-news/w/ddn-20260306-1](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/en/web/products-eurostat-news/w/ddn-20260306-1)
Zero countries above replacement.
Yeah still anything but crashing the housing market. We need to keep those sweet rental paychecks as high as possible and squeeze as much of the young as we can.
Cough Housing Cough
This is one of the great challenges where we dont really understand the reasons why. In most metrics people have gotten richer, and at the same time they get fewer babies. So cost of living is not the reason for this trend to a significant degree. It is multiple reasons why it is like this.
Here is some great way to explore the data across the world: [Gapminder bubbles](https://www.gapminder.org/tools/#$model$markers$bubble$encoding$y$data$concept=children_per_woman_total_fertility&space@=geo&=time;;&scale$domain:null&zoomed:null&type:null;;&x$data$concept=gnipercapita_ppp_current_international&source=sg&space@=geo&=time;;&scale$domain:null&zoomed:null&type:null;;;;;;&chart-type=bubbles&url=v2)
Why is it everything green? 1.7 is low already.
I am definitely that .34
Funny how it in the 90’s everone was very concerned about overpubulation. Not an issue anymore because it hurts economy
I own preschools in Poland its actually a good thing for me as all of the competition is going bankrupt and only the decent schools survive.
The issue is clearly mortgages and housing I personally know one couple who bought a house and got pregnant literally when the mortgage rates dropped the other week.
Home office is also something that no one wants to talk about. Work environment has invaded our homes and parents need the extra room as an office meaning they will not expand their family beyond one child for the foreseeable future. Even if the mortgage rates come down Apartments which are suitable for families with home office in mind are rare and expensive as hell.
I couldn’t give a fuck. Having kids makes zero sense in this economy.
Everyone who is really mystified by this needs to think about how many people you know who want 3-4 children vs how many want 0 children.
I don’t want any, I know many other women who don’t want any, I know only a few who want 3 (or especially more than 3) children even if they were millionaires. Not many people realistically want to be pregnant and raise small babies 4 times if given the choice. I can’t remember hearing any man say they want 4 kids, so I am sure that even some of the few women who want 4 kids won’t be having that many because the odds of their husband also wanting that many are very low.
Meanwhile quite many people want 1-2 children. To me it makes perfect sense that there are much more people having 0-1 children than 3-4 children. And for every woman who has 0 kids, you’d need another woman to have 4 to have an average of 2.
How is France so high in comparision?
Judging by reports from Poland, the Czech Republic, and Germany, the 2025 statistics will record another decline in the birth rate. Population growth will be solely due to immigration and an increase in life expectancy.
I don’t think I’d even go to the hospital to birth 1/3 of a baby.
I think, anything lower than 2 should be red as amount of men and women are nearly equal. So, even 1.6 is 0.8 per person.
Is the massive decline in teen pregnancies accounted for?
Gah I’m so fed up of this alarmist charts. I don’t think women should be guilted into having kids.
Shoutout to the gypsies! Bumping us (Bulgaria) up in the statistics! We’d probably be like 0.9 if the statistic excluded them.
What is France doing right to have a high number?
The replacement birthrate is 2.1 – there isn’t one single country in Europe adequately replacing the previous generations. This hasn’t really happened before in modern human history – it is going to massively challenge the capitalist model and ideas we used to take for granted around persistently increasing asset valuations.
On a social level – having smaller and smaller numbers of young people is not very good for social vibrancy, radical/new ideas, or fun in general.
We’re a long way from replacement rate…
Spain alreafy has data for 2025, so we should have the Eurostat map soon.
Why is Turkey in the data set but not UK?
France baise ouais !
without immirants and refugees this would be even lower lol
Lower one of Italy’s two dark dots kinda spooks me. How exactly?
Very easy solution. Build more houses and reduce costs of preschool/daycare to make having a larger family more affordable. In Ireland the average age of first time buyer is 38 years old. Most educated adults would agree that raising a family in a rental(not long term secure in Ireland) is a bad idea
Kids are fricking expensive, if u wanna give them a decent childhood. Daycare, school, hobbies, all the stuff baby needs all are really expensive even with free healthcare countries.
People dont have jobs, so no stability on that part
Anything more than one room apartment is expensive, even in smaller places no matter do u rent or buy.
Lack of support to parents. Yea yea EU usually have free or nearly free healthcare, free basic education, but our child welfare is shit. Too many struggling families, too little professionals. And those professions are getting paid less and less bc they are female dominant.
Healthcare is in crisis, mental health is in crisis. People have no jobs but also we have way too little people in basically any profession. Number of jobs are reduced by companies bc of money. People are exhausted by modern work culture and many do not have strenght to get any more things into their life.
Id say money would help. Maybe not solve, but help. Most of the population is struggling through paycheck to paycheck, or are one bigger expense away from real trouble. If we had money and stable job, odds wanting to get married and having kids would rise a lot.
This is not EU fertility rate, this is EEC fertility rate, two different things.
We are SO cooked…