La guerra sta arrivando, dice l’ex ministro della Difesa avvertendo che l’esercito britannico è “tristemente impreparato”
https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/war-coming-tobias-ellwood-military-unprepared-5HjdW2D_2/
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36 commenti
Thats great, 100 Billion more for benefit claimers please.
I do enjoy all these Tories coming out of the woodwork to complain how bad our military is.
They should probably be asking the questions into a fucking mirror. They spent 14 years absolutely gutting the armed forces – more so than any other government since the end of WW2.
As part of that process, they also did some fantastical accounting tricks to imply we still spent 2% GDP, when in reality those tricks meant we were paying far below if compared to previous budgets.
They are the ones to blame. They should be the ones sat answering questions as part of investigations and committees, not soap boxing at every opportunity as if they were not the criminals responsible for it.
It is so clear that we need to be investing in defence. Yet somehow people are voting for those that want to us to reduce defence spending, scrap the trident nuclear deterrent and leave Nato. Critical thinking has left the room.
Cameron and his “Austerity” SDR pretty much caused the majority of the problems we are now finding out about, its a bit late for a road to Damascus moment for Tobias.
Labour now have to clean up the 14 years of underinvestment, crap procurement and awful logistical support. While the Conservatives completely lacking in any self awareness moan from the sidelines about the mess they created.
Both Labour and the Tories ran down the UK military intentionally as part for the ‘Future Fres Project’ and a deranged view of a European Army…..Starmer has carried that on and worse has no idea/political instinct which has left the UK the world’s laughing stock.
They have thrown billions at the Net Zero fantasy, illegal immigration and welfare. Well the chickens are coming home to roost.
Former Defence Minister…in the government that was responsible for many years of underfunding!
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I mean yeah the Tories gutted it for over a decade.
It’ll take even longer to rebuild it.
We are basically in a worse position that we were in 1938
I’m sympathetic to increasing defence spending. But he’s very specific with what he wants cut … welfare.
Not pensions, health, the Scottish block grant, transport, education or justice. Not HS2 or Ajax fighting vehicles or any of the other chronic overspends, nothing about the billions coming on the Westminster re-build.
Na. Let’s just cut welfare.
Eh, no. Let’s not.
Woe betide us all if we let Tories or Reform (Tories 2.0) anywhere near our armed forces again. They spent the last 14 years hollowing our armies out and stripped our entire system bare.
Ok, how long has the Russia, Ukraine war being going on? And why haven’t we readied our military for a potential war with Russia? They were the potential most likely threat
Years, we had to prepare, and years been wasted.
Treason, and the punishment for treason was made weaker by Blair, it needs to be harsh again.
Defence minister makes case for increased defence spending.
Fork found in kitchen.
As much as the world is in a state of shit, this is fear bait for funding
Thats going to be a hard sell and it makes me happy that its a harder sell every year.
War with who? Who has threatened me and my family? Donald Trump maybe? The issue is I have a ton of friends in the US and have less than zero desire to pick a fight with them.
The news is making Iran out to be the boogeyman so maybe them? Problem is i can’t work out what they are supposed to have done to me? Also I have Iranian colleagues who I quite like and I certainly dont hate Iranian people so have less than zero desire to kill Iranian people.
Russia? Maybe they did attack Ukraine but I’m not Ukrainian so its not really something I’m willing to die for. I dont know any Russians so this would be the easiest but thats 4 year old news.
Short of troops landing in the UK it will be very hard to convince me to fight. Im not really interested in being or halluburtons share price going up.
The fact that we all tend to know people from around the world though is much more of a deterrent.
Cant the politicians fight themselves?
Let’s assume for a second that the current government decide we need another 200k troops. Or 500k.
Where are they coming from? Who wants to join the Army these days? Who wants to die for their country?
It’s generally agreed that conscripted troops aren’t a solution.
Woefully unprepared might be harsh.
England has withstood some of the worst. They’ve stood tall in the darkest times.
Military Industrial Complex bots running wild in the comments section here
War is coming and every person conscripted to fight will refuse as we’re 2nd rate citizens in our own country.
In the coming decades, employment opportunities may become increasingly limited, and the armed forces could emerge as one of the few remaining sectors offering widespread jobs. Young people seeking basic necessities such as food and shelter might find military service an unavoidable option. Those with advanced skills could be channelled into research and manufacturing roles, while those deemed physically or mentally fit for combat might be assigned to frontline duties. It seems to be a tale as old as time.
In other news the social contract has been destroyed and on fire for quite a few years.
Let’s all dance to the tune of the military industrial complex, the only arm of the private sector that can sell its own fear, gain public funding, and provide no tangible public benefit other than raise the price of DIB shares owned by politicians.
Who exactly are we defending ourselves from this time and why have we given billions in aid to the Ukraine if our military is so “woefully unprepared”?
No joke guys, I’ve been trying to apply for an hour yesterday and the sign up portal online is broken
Tories would stab and gouge out the substance supporting working families to give taxpayer funded handouts to the military complex industry
Well considering how often the UK exported it in support of the US , maybe it shouldn’t be surprised when it suddenly finds itself importing it.
Or as some else said
“The British love going into other peoples countries, but they hate been followed home”
Isn’t this just this guy admitting that he didn’t do his job?
The message is correct, shame his chums did the opposite when in power for 14 years.
The tories want us to stand with thr US whole they threaten our way of life, threaten commonwealth and NATO sovereign countries, start illegal wars, be further reliant on US technology instead of investing in European technology and to start illegal wars …its abhorrent.
Fun fact, don’t announce your army is a bit shit publicly, you know where your enemies can find out.
Let them find out from grifters and Russian assets…
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This shite again? Lmao.
Give it a bloody rest with these lies.
Are we ever prepared for anything in the UK ? Genuine question.
The constant framing of war as a thing that will happen to us like it’s an inevitable natural event is grotesque and misleading. It’s a human event; we choose to enable it and take part in it.
The framing is basically a kind of manifesting. We say that war is inevitable, so we increase military spending, adopt prickly foreign policy, maybe do a few preemptive strikes, and then by that point we’re somehow at war.
I wonder who left us in such a bad position in terms of military spending, as well as who keeps trying to drag us into Trumps war to distract from him being one of the worst monsters in US history…
Yup, 20 years of chronic underfunding and lining your own pockets will do that.
Removing the two child benefit cap cost £3bn. The Ajax armoured vehicle programme to produce 589 armoured fighting vehicles (none of which are fit for purpose) cost £5.5bn. The Nimrod AEW program cost about £3bn in today’s money and didn’t produce any useable aircraft at all. Or the £800million (inflation adjusted) the MOD spent on storing 8 Chinook helicopters for a decade that couldn’t fly because they had the wrong software. There is no point giving the MOD any more money until they have fixed the procurement process.
“Unless we get the bomb factories up to full production, the whole economy is going to collapse”—20th Century nation states
Can we have a social hierarchy fit for the 21st Century instead? Us cowards need to hand over the thousands of hours of RAF footage taken over Gaza to the ICC and apologise to every citizen of every other nation. Nation states will be the death of our species.
It’s being said everywhere if you listen carefully. Moving from “post war to pre war posture”. By post war they are referring to WW2.
Another world war is escalating and sadly so many countries are now rearming to fight it