Per migliorare il trasporto pubblico, è stato suggerito di eliminare alcune fermate degli autobus troppo vicine tra loro. Guardando questo qui, sono totalmente d’accordo.
Mostrami il tuo esempio? Conosci un posto dove la distanza è ancora minore?
Questo esempio è a Swords, 3 fermate dell’autobus molto vicine l’una all’altra a 200 metri tra ciascuna fermata.
The C4 at Palmerstown on the way west. 3 within a few yards of each other.
Mysterious_Gear_268 on
I dunno, I’ve lived in high density cities with lots and lots of stops and they were fine. Especially, during bad weather it was nice to have a stop so close.
Where i live now (rural), I use the bus more frequently because I have a stop close by.
In your example I’m not familiar with the area but maybe? I certainly wouldn’t like a blanket decision made to remove every second stop.
pippers87 on
Trying to get them removed is the massive issue. Councillors bread and butter is
“Theres an aul one in that estate, who needs the bus stop for hospital appointments”
I think I found the winner, not far from the Airport. 100 meters between 2 stops…
illogicalpine on
One that sticks to me are the two bus stops on the 11 route in Ranelagh which are 130m apart, literally around a corner from each other.
MutedExercise1842 on
Western road has 4 bus stops 2 minutes walking away from each other.
Okay, they’re on a bus lane. But still, do both the 220 and 220X (the most frequent buses in Cork city that cover one of the longest connection) need to do all of them?
There are other examples on the connection between Ballincolling and Cork city
There are plenty examples of those across Dublin, which slows down buses drastically.
Before someone tells me like before, they are not supposed to be fast, they sure ain’t supposed to be slow as fuck either
KatarnsBeard on
I get the 37 into town every week from the Clonsilla area. There’s definitely some that feel way too close together around Carpenterstown and Laurel Lodge
svmk1987 on
Everyone’s posting examples here but you should also check which buses and routes actually stop in these stops. Sometimes, different bus stops are for different routes.
mizezslo on
Totally agree in some cases, but just want to remind us all that to the disabled, removal of those stops can be a real life-changer.
Gazza_s_89 on
Passages should be assembling themselves at stops on their own time , not on the systems.
Keep the spacing 400m minimum.
_Cactusbagel_ on
I definitely get the thinking behind it and would love to see our public transport system get a re haul in general, but it’s also important to remember that the removal of stops could seriously impact the disabled community and the elderly community. There has to be a better solution
PixelNotPolygon on
It would be rearranging the deckchairs on the titanic to suggest that this would improve public transport in Dublin
gd19841 on
The example in OP isn’t very good, as multiple different routes could be using those stops going different directions. Eg. The first one on Swords Road (Pavillions) could be used by buses going striaght through or to the right at the roundabout up ahead. On a similar note, buses coming from those roads (which are out of shot to the right) could be using the second bus stop and going up towards the roundabout at McCabes pharmacy and taking a left.
There’s plenty of examples where there’s two stops for the same route, on a straight road, within 200m of each other.
StaffordQueer on
Clontarf Road is great example. Bus stops every 200m, insanely inefficient.
C0smicdread on
I often get buses for 1-2 stops / to travel very short distances because I have mobility impairments, I know it’s frustrating but it is extremely helpful to have more stops if you’re disabled.
spincyslom on
I remember hearing about Dublin Bus getting some consultants in to find ways to improve the service and this was one of their major recommendations. Other European cities do not have bus stops so close to allow for a faster bus service. It was opposed by local politicians at the behest of the public as people though it would effect the elderly and disabled. However evidence from other cities indicate that is not the case.
There’s so many of these in the Terenure/Rathgar area. There’s been quite a few occasions where I just missed a bus only to beat it to the next stop at walking pace.
Odd_Ice_1979 on
3 stops within 500 meters to Dun Laoghaire station
This example in the new route 24 is the opposite. On the way into town, there’s a stop at Willow Park Crescent. But it’s only on one side of the road. On the way back from town, there is no stop at this point. 800m between stops. Very confused why there isn’t a stop on the other side.
womanyellsatcloud on
that middle one in OP’s example is particularly useless. the one on the left is for pavilions and stops right outside. the one on the bottom is on the main road where people can cross over to the housing estates opposite pavilions. i had never known the point of the middle one, there is nothing there! there’s not even a place to cross safely!
dtoher on
At least in Dublin with the 90 min fair (and anyone with a pass) most people don’t need to interact with the driver.
Stops are **so much slower** to board the same number of passengers in Cork because everyone needs to tell the driver where they are going.
diarm on
I don’t know if its closer, but it’s definitely not much farther – on Roebuck Road, there’s a stop across from the Spar/Off License and then another outside the Islamic Centre that are stupidly close.
I should get off at the Islamic centre but if the bus is quiet and people are getting off at the one before, I’ll get off then because it just feels stupid to get the driver to stop again 10 seconds after he’s pulled off.
DuckyD2point0 on
S2 bus has 6 stops in a 1.2km stretch of road, I find the bus great but that particular section is just ridiculous.
hurpyderp on
The 74 will never be defeated – 2 stops 10m apart.
Each additional stop adds 20-60s. If you limited the stops to 350-400m minimum spacing you could likely half the number of stops along the route, and you’d see the average journey speed up massively. If you did this for every route in Dublin you could greatly alter the public transport landscape overnight. While yes we also need more transport options, Dublin bus actually provides a really good network with pretty good coverage. It certainly has its problems (ghost buses/unreliability probably being chief amongst them), but if you could improve journey times I think fabric of Dublin would start to feel much healthier.
DribblingGiraffe on
Whitehall road in Kimmage is a great example of this. There are 5 stops in a straight 800 metre road. No buses turn onto the road half way so that isn’t an excuse.
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The C4 at Palmerstown on the way west. 3 within a few yards of each other.
I dunno, I’ve lived in high density cities with lots and lots of stops and they were fine. Especially, during bad weather it was nice to have a stop so close.
Where i live now (rural), I use the bus more frequently because I have a stop close by.
In your example I’m not familiar with the area but maybe? I certainly wouldn’t like a blanket decision made to remove every second stop.
Trying to get them removed is the massive issue. Councillors bread and butter is
“Theres an aul one in that estate, who needs the bus stop for hospital appointments”
Not a hope of it changing
https://preview.redd.it/scj13ukcw0og1.png?width=1678&format=png&auto=webp&s=787d81b585bbee064994db4e89e6cf8204b819e3
I think I found the winner, not far from the Airport. 100 meters between 2 stops…
One that sticks to me are the two bus stops on the 11 route in Ranelagh which are 130m apart, literally around a corner from each other.
Western road has 4 bus stops 2 minutes walking away from each other.
Okay, they’re on a bus lane. But still, do both the 220 and 220X (the most frequent buses in Cork city that cover one of the longest connection) need to do all of them?
There are other examples on the connection between Ballincolling and Cork city
https://preview.redd.it/9ggkjbbux0og1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c6d9582a7287282652cde149d8abc957e44c6b2f
The E1 route coming in to Bray from the Woodbrook roundabout to the Castle Street bridge has 4 stops in the space of 650 (ish) meters
If you can see the next bus stop from the current one. It’s too close (with a few exceptions obviously)
This one in Swords is only 120m apart
https://preview.redd.it/ljp1t26wx0og1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b678c70f4dcf597b02be1f60b57aea1caa56b626
There are plenty examples of those across Dublin, which slows down buses drastically.
Before someone tells me like before, they are not supposed to be fast, they sure ain’t supposed to be slow as fuck either
I get the 37 into town every week from the Clonsilla area. There’s definitely some that feel way too close together around Carpenterstown and Laurel Lodge
Everyone’s posting examples here but you should also check which buses and routes actually stop in these stops. Sometimes, different bus stops are for different routes.
Totally agree in some cases, but just want to remind us all that to the disabled, removal of those stops can be a real life-changer.
Passages should be assembling themselves at stops on their own time , not on the systems.
Keep the spacing 400m minimum.
I definitely get the thinking behind it and would love to see our public transport system get a re haul in general, but it’s also important to remember that the removal of stops could seriously impact the disabled community and the elderly community. There has to be a better solution
It would be rearranging the deckchairs on the titanic to suggest that this would improve public transport in Dublin
The example in OP isn’t very good, as multiple different routes could be using those stops going different directions. Eg. The first one on Swords Road (Pavillions) could be used by buses going striaght through or to the right at the roundabout up ahead. On a similar note, buses coming from those roads (which are out of shot to the right) could be using the second bus stop and going up towards the roundabout at McCabes pharmacy and taking a left.
There’s plenty of examples where there’s two stops for the same route, on a straight road, within 200m of each other.
Clontarf Road is great example. Bus stops every 200m, insanely inefficient.
I often get buses for 1-2 stops / to travel very short distances because I have mobility impairments, I know it’s frustrating but it is extremely helpful to have more stops if you’re disabled.
I remember hearing about Dublin Bus getting some consultants in to find ways to improve the service and this was one of their major recommendations. Other European cities do not have bus stops so close to allow for a faster bus service. It was opposed by local politicians at the behest of the public as people though it would effect the elderly and disabled. However evidence from other cities indicate that is not the case.
https://preview.redd.it/vw7olar521og1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=96bdae25386a98f767239d6166b4c3f2252c8f3c
The 16 bus coming out of town, by Rathfarnham village. **Five** stops in the space of 900 metres, and about a kilometre either side isn’t much better.
https://preview.redd.it/xv5t87nw11og1.png?width=1351&format=png&auto=webp&s=c795f37121a457c32da6afd72454a3e8e5d0d970
What about this one?
There’s so many of these in the Terenure/Rathgar area. There’s been quite a few occasions where I just missed a bus only to beat it to the next stop at walking pace.
3 stops within 500 meters to Dun Laoghaire station
https://preview.redd.it/3aufpyg331og1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=815d0d7e787495df78b21d4459d5f8bae59ec6ab
https://preview.redd.it/55sqrtez21og1.png?width=1355&format=png&auto=webp&s=e2a2edf3a12d247e606098b01edc82329794ae46
This example in the new route 24 is the opposite. On the way into town, there’s a stop at Willow Park Crescent. But it’s only on one side of the road. On the way back from town, there is no stop at this point. 800m between stops. Very confused why there isn’t a stop on the other side.
that middle one in OP’s example is particularly useless. the one on the left is for pavilions and stops right outside. the one on the bottom is on the main road where people can cross over to the housing estates opposite pavilions. i had never known the point of the middle one, there is nothing there! there’s not even a place to cross safely!
At least in Dublin with the 90 min fair (and anyone with a pass) most people don’t need to interact with the driver.
Stops are **so much slower** to board the same number of passengers in Cork because everyone needs to tell the driver where they are going.
I don’t know if its closer, but it’s definitely not much farther – on Roebuck Road, there’s a stop across from the Spar/Off License and then another outside the Islamic Centre that are stupidly close.
I should get off at the Islamic centre but if the bus is quiet and people are getting off at the one before, I’ll get off then because it just feels stupid to get the driver to stop again 10 seconds after he’s pulled off.
S2 bus has 6 stops in a 1.2km stretch of road, I find the bus great but that particular section is just ridiculous.
The 74 will never be defeated – 2 stops 10m apart.
[74 bus](https://www.imgur.com/a/A9q8KBB)
https://preview.redd.it/qpzebv3151og1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bcb7c2a80e4fe3cd0835bab763745e65ddc52e9e
These 2 in Santry always annoyed me. Another one just out of shot at the Omni
The S2 just coming out of Ranelagh has 2 stops 100m away from each other on Appian Way. Pisses me off every time.
https://preview.redd.it/qtgf3h3551og1.png?width=2092&format=png&auto=webp&s=e809bdacd031a2613172c05c55d162f464ecc83b
Each additional stop adds 20-60s. If you limited the stops to 350-400m minimum spacing you could likely half the number of stops along the route, and you’d see the average journey speed up massively. If you did this for every route in Dublin you could greatly alter the public transport landscape overnight. While yes we also need more transport options, Dublin bus actually provides a really good network with pretty good coverage. It certainly has its problems (ghost buses/unreliability probably being chief amongst them), but if you could improve journey times I think fabric of Dublin would start to feel much healthier.
Whitehall road in Kimmage is a great example of this. There are 5 stops in a straight 800 metre road. No buses turn onto the road half way so that isn’t an excuse.