Its not really a surprise. The worst people you know are now being constantly patted on the head and told they are right by people trying to extract money and power from them.
WeWelcome on
It’s really alarming to see how quickly these extreme views are spreading. A huge part of the problem is that US tech giants use algorithms designed to push provocative content just to keep people clicking. By constantly boosting these divisive ideas, these platforms are fueling the fire and making it harder for society to find common ground.
Non-wholesomechungus on
Extreme views probably cover something like not wanting to be demographically replaced in your country lol 😂
Innocent---Bystander on
My neighbour genuinely thinks there is a race war coming and keeps telling me I need to stand up and fight… the fuck is happening?
Rude_Sheepherder_714 on
These proposals do seem to be intentionally so ill defined so was to be able to use them to suppress any sort of criticism of that particular religion.
WastelandOfConfusion on
We’re continuously being asked to hate people. It’s the same people running these divisive propaganda narratives that are also starting these horrific Wars. It’s called manufactured consent. Anyone who goes against the script gets immediately smeared and insulted.
Wastedyouth86 on
Its not really a race it’s more a religion and ideology contrast.. we are constantly told to be inclusive and multi cultural which has been fine until a religion rocked up that is not inclusive, has medieval ideas and pretty conservative views..
Now they use the race card to scare people from questioning it even though its about the religion and not the skin colour.
Mister_Sith on
Its always a motte and bailey argument too. Start with an extreme view and backtrack to something less extreme then accuse you of not being civil, and its always ‘the left’ that is the problem, as if their one monolithic bloc hellbent on destroying Britain.
Pure_Reputation5969 on
What do they expect? The indeginous people are constantly accused of islamaphobia and racism if they question immigrants or Islam and the majority of East London at least caters mainly for immigrants, mosques, masjids, most food halal only, its clear the UK government cares more about foreigners then the indeginous people as 99% of new businesses cater for foreigners and then they act shocked that the English are frustrated
N07your_homie on
I spent years warning people that our social model and way of living was leading us down a negative path and we needed to put the brakes on before the common man started to turn.
I was called a racist, bigot, fascist and all the other buzzwords used to silence legitimate criticism.
And now the rank and file old opinions I used to have and with far less understanding of them, or ability to negotiate with contrasting opinions.
I warned that this push for equality and dissolving of nationalism must stop. Because flooding a country with foreigners, pushing to normalise bizarre sexual behaviour and ignoring, downplaying and gaslighting the native peoples legitimate concerns is how you make people feel cornered in their homeland. Do you want national socialists? Because this is how you get them.
But nobody listened and now the “extreme” opinions I held in my youth are becoming more and more mainstream.
flossdaily on
Well, there are two separate, intertwined problems going on:
1. Bigotry
2. Islamic extremists are actively trying to spread their religious oppression across the globe, and they are making real headway.
I think the world is waiting for the assimilated, moderate Muslims to take ownership of their own religious fringe, and lead the charge in containing them. I’ve seen little evidence that they are doing so. Which might be a lack of effort, or might just be a public relations failure.
For everyone else with Western values, we’re in the tight spot of being justly opposed to Islamic fundamentalist expansion, while simultaneously celebrating diversity and inclusion of everyone else who values a pluralistic society.
TurpentineEnjoyer on
It really doesn’t come as a surprise that we are where we are now. The demographic replacement in places like Glasgow are noticeable. You can walk the length of Sauchiehall street and the only people you’ll hear speaking English are the homeless.
People on the outskirts of Glasgow look in at it as a warning, for what’s coming for them next once it breaches containment. People are tired of being told they’re racist for noticing how bad things have gotten in their homes by outsiders that show up at the weekend with pre-printed signs to tell them to be more welcoming, before going home to their suburbs.
The whole asylum system has been utterly, utterly mismanaged.
ash_ninetyone on
I’ve seen quite a few people justifying islamophobia or explaining how it cannot exist, how you should be allowed to hate people, especially on grounds of religion
These self-same people will entirely go off about anti-semitism though and how unwelcome and unsafe Jews feel right now.
And the latter is valid since there is interethnic conflict that happens by extension, they pick a highly hypocritical angle.
You want to debate someone’s religious beliefs? By all means that should be fair game. But there’s a line between fair and valid criticism of a belief system, you can dislike if that belief is incompatible with LGBT rights, women’s rights, etc, but absolutely hating an entire group of people arbitrarily for no other reason than they’re just Muslim or Jewish or whatever is not the way to go about that, and inciting and promoting violence against a group should remain absolutely a crime.
MirrorChamber3990 on
All you have to do is look at a human population graph for the past 200 years. Its going to go back down to where it was one way or another. And its not going to be pretty.
getKroghed on
When might these worried politicians consider giving us what we voted for?
Both extremes of the political spectrum are seeing growing support because of the same problem.
SidneyDeane10 on
I didnt click but I assume hes talking about anti white sentiment among minorities?
Vast-Conclusion-8320 on
Yea because it’s the news that is shaping peoples views, and not the fact that we are now interacting with these people every day and getting pretty sick and tired of their shit?
Tartan_Samurai on
Get in a time machine. Scroll through r/unitedkingdom in 2020 and then scroll through it today. Night and day doesn’t do justice to how much its changed…..
segapc on
I’m surprised to see this isn’t mentioned, but I don’t think these views are new or growing at all. People just have confidence to talk about them now. There are politicians talking about it for people to rally around… Just look at the voting history of the last few general elections and brexit.
JoshH79 on
Who woulda thought, people seeing their communities change and not wanting to be demographically replaced develop ‘extreme’ views. I went into Derby to look at a car awhile ago and driving through one street I thought i got teleported to the Middle East, hijabs and shops with foreign names as far as my eyes could see, certainly no integration going on in many areas and people obviously see this
whamtet on
Yes, people want less immigration. Very extreme. Fascism almost.
salamanderwolf on
It would help if you made all social media display where in the world posters were from, and went after bot farms properly. Reading some of the comments here, you can tell there’s a campaign to spread diversion just from the word choices used.
Indigenous, for example, was never used in far right rhetoric because the various waves of historical settlers like the Norman’s and vikings were taught in school. Now the word is everywhere.
Letzer-Mensch-hunter on
Imagine making this midwit health minister. “Ohh golly some content farmer from the third world said something mean to me!”
Lifeintheguo on
Yes we’re seeing very extremist views in UK like teachers being forced to go into hiding for portraying Muhammed. Multiple terrorist attacks with multiple organised by Iran recently stopped.
People not being able to burn a book in protest without getting stabbed at and kicked. And the “Islamic Human Rights Association” saying the Ayatollah was on the “right side of history”. As well as students in UK universities mourning his death. Saudi Arabia consider it so bad they won’t subsidize their citizens to study here.
Known_Week_158 on
>“It’s not about blasphemy laws or anything like that. This is about anti-Muslim hatred, which has a racial element to it.
There’s no need to introduce blasphemy laws when they already effectively exist.
When someone tries to kill you for burning a religious book and the book gets thrown at you (and not the person who threatened you and then returned with a weapon), that’s a de-facto blasphemy law.
When governments are reluctant to take serious action against rape gangs based on the ethnicity and religion of the perpetrators, you have a de-facto blasphemy law as the government sees denying justice to the victims an acceptable cost for social cohesion.
When a teacher is forced into hiding over displaying religiously offensive material, you have a de-facto blasphemy laws.
When the mother of an autistic child has to go crawling on her hands and knees in a mosque because her child did something religiously offensive, you have a de-facto blasphemy law.
There’s no point in arguing if a definition will introduce something when it already exists.
Cynical_Classicist on
And this government doesn’t challenge it! I haven’t forgotten that island of strangers speech!
JosephStalinho on
Haha what? So everyone who isn’t white did this already. And suddenly whitey got involved and now it’s bad?
Get a grip
adonWPV on
Is it really any worse than the 70s or 80s or is it simply a case of, what’s done in the dark being brought to the light
Mas-Vri on
It’s almost as if 25 years of Islamic terror attacks has pissed people off slightly.
GarageReasonable3247 on
At what point do we just accept Britain is a racist country and needs a huge cultural shift?
I’m sorry but just in my life time I’ve seen a war on terror try and demonise all Muslims to justify an unjustifiable war in Iraq, then the 2008 crash happened and everyone’s lives got worse cos our government transferred more wealth to bankers, and since then the discourse has been we’re poorer cos there are more brown people here, then we voted to become poorer again in the Brexit referendum to keep immigrants out and that’s just made people hate immigrants more ?
Like I don’t understand how we can understand these big national decisions as anything other than we’re a racist country with a lot of work to do to save ourselves?
MWBrooks1995 on
No one’s being replaced you weirdos. Please go outside.
KernowKermit on
the rise in the number of people that deny the existence of English as an ethnicity is truly alarming.
Arcon1337 on
People have always had these extreme views. They just kept it behind closed doors, and with the rise of social media, the mask is dropping off as you can see these communities interacting in the public.
Lukewarmluk on
I’m not surprised. This trend will likely worsen as mass immigration continues. People label it ‘white replacement theory,’ but I see it as more of a self suic*de or societal self-destruction. Sadly those of European or English ancestry rarely organize or advocate for their own collective interests. Hopefully we will see a cultural shift from the current radical atomized individualism towards more of a collective group interests, that will bring a revival of community and culture.
ploopitus on
That’s because they’ve not had their eyes open for the past twenty years, and so it’s come to this. I’ve been wondering since about 2003 when society would finally work up the courage to ask “Do we want this?”, because sure as fuck no one was asked if they did.
A-System-Analyst on
Race and colour are shallow ways of grouping people. It’s because we notice visual differences as a primitive survival aide – change from the ‘normal’ could be dangerous. But we’re smart enough to recognise and suppress that in favour of judging, grouping and identifying with people by what they DO. Like, I’m ok with people of any race and colour as long as they’re not conservatives (which includes Reform).
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Its not really a surprise. The worst people you know are now being constantly patted on the head and told they are right by people trying to extract money and power from them.
It’s really alarming to see how quickly these extreme views are spreading. A huge part of the problem is that US tech giants use algorithms designed to push provocative content just to keep people clicking. By constantly boosting these divisive ideas, these platforms are fueling the fire and making it harder for society to find common ground.
Extreme views probably cover something like not wanting to be demographically replaced in your country lol 😂
My neighbour genuinely thinks there is a race war coming and keeps telling me I need to stand up and fight… the fuck is happening?
These proposals do seem to be intentionally so ill defined so was to be able to use them to suppress any sort of criticism of that particular religion.
We’re continuously being asked to hate people. It’s the same people running these divisive propaganda narratives that are also starting these horrific Wars. It’s called manufactured consent. Anyone who goes against the script gets immediately smeared and insulted.
Its not really a race it’s more a religion and ideology contrast.. we are constantly told to be inclusive and multi cultural which has been fine until a religion rocked up that is not inclusive, has medieval ideas and pretty conservative views..
Now they use the race card to scare people from questioning it even though its about the religion and not the skin colour.
Its always a motte and bailey argument too. Start with an extreme view and backtrack to something less extreme then accuse you of not being civil, and its always ‘the left’ that is the problem, as if their one monolithic bloc hellbent on destroying Britain.
What do they expect? The indeginous people are constantly accused of islamaphobia and racism if they question immigrants or Islam and the majority of East London at least caters mainly for immigrants, mosques, masjids, most food halal only, its clear the UK government cares more about foreigners then the indeginous people as 99% of new businesses cater for foreigners and then they act shocked that the English are frustrated
I spent years warning people that our social model and way of living was leading us down a negative path and we needed to put the brakes on before the common man started to turn.
I was called a racist, bigot, fascist and all the other buzzwords used to silence legitimate criticism.
And now the rank and file old opinions I used to have and with far less understanding of them, or ability to negotiate with contrasting opinions.
I warned that this push for equality and dissolving of nationalism must stop. Because flooding a country with foreigners, pushing to normalise bizarre sexual behaviour and ignoring, downplaying and gaslighting the native peoples legitimate concerns is how you make people feel cornered in their homeland. Do you want national socialists? Because this is how you get them.
But nobody listened and now the “extreme” opinions I held in my youth are becoming more and more mainstream.
Well, there are two separate, intertwined problems going on:
1. Bigotry
2. Islamic extremists are actively trying to spread their religious oppression across the globe, and they are making real headway.
I think the world is waiting for the assimilated, moderate Muslims to take ownership of their own religious fringe, and lead the charge in containing them. I’ve seen little evidence that they are doing so. Which might be a lack of effort, or might just be a public relations failure.
For everyone else with Western values, we’re in the tight spot of being justly opposed to Islamic fundamentalist expansion, while simultaneously celebrating diversity and inclusion of everyone else who values a pluralistic society.
It really doesn’t come as a surprise that we are where we are now. The demographic replacement in places like Glasgow are noticeable. You can walk the length of Sauchiehall street and the only people you’ll hear speaking English are the homeless.
People on the outskirts of Glasgow look in at it as a warning, for what’s coming for them next once it breaches containment. People are tired of being told they’re racist for noticing how bad things have gotten in their homes by outsiders that show up at the weekend with pre-printed signs to tell them to be more welcoming, before going home to their suburbs.
The whole asylum system has been utterly, utterly mismanaged.
I’ve seen quite a few people justifying islamophobia or explaining how it cannot exist, how you should be allowed to hate people, especially on grounds of religion
These self-same people will entirely go off about anti-semitism though and how unwelcome and unsafe Jews feel right now.
And the latter is valid since there is interethnic conflict that happens by extension, they pick a highly hypocritical angle.
You want to debate someone’s religious beliefs? By all means that should be fair game. But there’s a line between fair and valid criticism of a belief system, you can dislike if that belief is incompatible with LGBT rights, women’s rights, etc, but absolutely hating an entire group of people arbitrarily for no other reason than they’re just Muslim or Jewish or whatever is not the way to go about that, and inciting and promoting violence against a group should remain absolutely a crime.
All you have to do is look at a human population graph for the past 200 years. Its going to go back down to where it was one way or another. And its not going to be pretty.
When might these worried politicians consider giving us what we voted for?
Both extremes of the political spectrum are seeing growing support because of the same problem.
I didnt click but I assume hes talking about anti white sentiment among minorities?
Yea because it’s the news that is shaping peoples views, and not the fact that we are now interacting with these people every day and getting pretty sick and tired of their shit?
Get in a time machine. Scroll through r/unitedkingdom in 2020 and then scroll through it today. Night and day doesn’t do justice to how much its changed…..
I’m surprised to see this isn’t mentioned, but I don’t think these views are new or growing at all. People just have confidence to talk about them now. There are politicians talking about it for people to rally around… Just look at the voting history of the last few general elections and brexit.
Who woulda thought, people seeing their communities change and not wanting to be demographically replaced develop ‘extreme’ views. I went into Derby to look at a car awhile ago and driving through one street I thought i got teleported to the Middle East, hijabs and shops with foreign names as far as my eyes could see, certainly no integration going on in many areas and people obviously see this
Yes, people want less immigration. Very extreme. Fascism almost.
It would help if you made all social media display where in the world posters were from, and went after bot farms properly. Reading some of the comments here, you can tell there’s a campaign to spread diversion just from the word choices used.
Indigenous, for example, was never used in far right rhetoric because the various waves of historical settlers like the Norman’s and vikings were taught in school. Now the word is everywhere.
Imagine making this midwit health minister. “Ohh golly some content farmer from the third world said something mean to me!”
Yes we’re seeing very extremist views in UK like teachers being forced to go into hiding for portraying Muhammed. Multiple terrorist attacks with multiple organised by Iran recently stopped.
People not being able to burn a book in protest without getting stabbed at and kicked. And the “Islamic Human Rights Association” saying the Ayatollah was on the “right side of history”. As well as students in UK universities mourning his death. Saudi Arabia consider it so bad they won’t subsidize their citizens to study here.
>“It’s not about blasphemy laws or anything like that. This is about anti-Muslim hatred, which has a racial element to it.
There’s no need to introduce blasphemy laws when they already effectively exist.
When someone tries to kill you for burning a religious book and the book gets thrown at you (and not the person who threatened you and then returned with a weapon), that’s a de-facto blasphemy law.
When governments are reluctant to take serious action against rape gangs based on the ethnicity and religion of the perpetrators, you have a de-facto blasphemy law as the government sees denying justice to the victims an acceptable cost for social cohesion.
When a teacher is forced into hiding over displaying religiously offensive material, you have a de-facto blasphemy laws.
When the mother of an autistic child has to go crawling on her hands and knees in a mosque because her child did something religiously offensive, you have a de-facto blasphemy law.
There’s no point in arguing if a definition will introduce something when it already exists.
And this government doesn’t challenge it! I haven’t forgotten that island of strangers speech!
Haha what? So everyone who isn’t white did this already. And suddenly whitey got involved and now it’s bad?
Get a grip
Is it really any worse than the 70s or 80s or is it simply a case of, what’s done in the dark being brought to the light
It’s almost as if 25 years of Islamic terror attacks has pissed people off slightly.
At what point do we just accept Britain is a racist country and needs a huge cultural shift?
I’m sorry but just in my life time I’ve seen a war on terror try and demonise all Muslims to justify an unjustifiable war in Iraq, then the 2008 crash happened and everyone’s lives got worse cos our government transferred more wealth to bankers, and since then the discourse has been we’re poorer cos there are more brown people here, then we voted to become poorer again in the Brexit referendum to keep immigrants out and that’s just made people hate immigrants more ?
Like I don’t understand how we can understand these big national decisions as anything other than we’re a racist country with a lot of work to do to save ourselves?
No one’s being replaced you weirdos. Please go outside.
the rise in the number of people that deny the existence of English as an ethnicity is truly alarming.
People have always had these extreme views. They just kept it behind closed doors, and with the rise of social media, the mask is dropping off as you can see these communities interacting in the public.
I’m not surprised. This trend will likely worsen as mass immigration continues. People label it ‘white replacement theory,’ but I see it as more of a self suic*de or societal self-destruction. Sadly those of European or English ancestry rarely organize or advocate for their own collective interests. Hopefully we will see a cultural shift from the current radical atomized individualism towards more of a collective group interests, that will bring a revival of community and culture.
That’s because they’ve not had their eyes open for the past twenty years, and so it’s come to this. I’ve been wondering since about 2003 when society would finally work up the courage to ask “Do we want this?”, because sure as fuck no one was asked if they did.
Race and colour are shallow ways of grouping people. It’s because we notice visual differences as a primitive survival aide – change from the ‘normal’ could be dangerous. But we’re smart enough to recognise and suppress that in favour of judging, grouping and identifying with people by what they DO. Like, I’m ok with people of any race and colour as long as they’re not conservatives (which includes Reform).