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  1. It really depends on what aspect of military capability you’re looking at and where current investments are focused on really.

    Comparing raw troop numbers or number of ships is one thing, but both militaries have been focused on totally different things (post cold war) and both are going to have to undergo some very significant changes to be ready for a near-peer conflict in the future.

  2. policy_wonker on

    Knowing the Telegraph it will be because of woke, net zero, cultural marxist remainers or some shit.

  3. Elegant-Fisherman555 on

    Because France develops the majority of it in house and handles their own business and buys from French companies?

    Britain getting fleeced by American arms companies? Looking at the Ajax and General Dynamics there.

  4. AlastorZola on

    The article isn’t that convincing. It tries to underplay the french successes and say that British failures are not that bad, overlooking the abysmal performance of the conservatives tenure on the military. The UK military has a problem with procurement, and maintenance, and recruitment, that is a direct result of weak compromises from successive governments and compounds to the results today.

    The article says that France only has one aircraft carrier and chances are that it would be in dry docks. What about the 4 helicopter carriers ? What about the fact that the UK still only has 1 ship available when France had 80% of its fleet ready to set sail ?

    It also says that France gets a 1,3e return on military spending, like it’s an afterthought. It’s really really hard to do. It’s decades of continuous political and military cooperation. It can’t be overlooked if the UK or Europe wants to move away from vassal status to the US

    When Macron said NATO was brain dead this is exactly the kind of things he was alluding to.

  5. IngloriousTom on

    It’s impressive to see how much attention recent French initiatives have garnered in the British press. I don’t recall other countries comparing themselves to us to such an extent.

  6. Snake_Plizken on

    UK spends much more on helping Ukraine, which is the most important metric in increasing European security. France is just weak in comparison…

    They have a nuclear carrier, to what use?

  7. Definitely_Human01 on

    Shitty procurement is my guess. The military knows what it wants and needs, but the civil service manages the procurement.

    In theory, it’s supposed to lead to efficiencies since the civil service has the experience with sourcing suppliers and negotiating contracts.

    But evidently it’s not worked well and, as with everything else the government does, ends up over budget and under delivered.

  8. ForTheGloryOfAmn on

    France: “It appears my superiority has lead to some controversy.”

    The meme lives on.

  9. MirageintheVoid on

    Thats what you get when you actually developed matured state-owned or state-sponsored arms industry, duh. And for reason I cannot understand, France seems to be able to recruit more people into the armed forces.

  10. vasileios13 on

    The size of the budget isn’t indicative of the quality of the equipment. I can buy an excellent loaf of bread in Athens for 1 euros but in London I’d need 5 euros. It doesn’t mean that it’s 5x better because it costs 5x more.

  11. Souldestroyer_Reborn on

    The UK should be looking at France and taking learnings from them in both the military, and the energy sectors.

    Instead, we love selling ourselves out for pennies on the pound to US and EU conglomerates.

    It’s fucking sickening and should’ve been stopped 25 years ago.

  12. Ok_Win_2906 on

    Dosent matter , the French will surrender rapidly as usual . Atleast the Brits will fight till the end.

  13. AliceKite on

    France does everything in house the UK hires armies of consultants and outsources everything. I would say the French civilian procurement arm is excellent. 

    The British also don’t have the national pride of the French I just don’t think people in the UK care about the state of the armed forces and probably even think it’s too big.

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