Il consigliere di Putin ha detto agli inviati di Macron di “andare all’inferno” per il posto dell’Europa ai colloqui di pace in Ucraina
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It was more like “fuck off”, not “go to hell”
A pretty clear hint, that military support for Ukraine isn’t enough and the diplomatic & economic actions don’t reach far enough to become recognized as a relevant player
It is Europe who currently keeps Ukraine financially afloat not US, having peace talks with US without EU and Ukraine is kinda pointless for Russia. Maximum Russia can get from US is sanctions relief and diplomatic recognition of conquered territory, but Russia still would have to deal with Ukraine propped up by Europe.
Of course. Most EU leaders aren’t Russian puppets who’ll just do what they’re ordered. Putin doesn’t want peace, he wants Ukraine. Not even Trump’s 28-point November peace plan, despite giving Russia all of Donbas and keeping Ukraine out of NATO, was good enough for Putin.
Russia isnt doing great in the battlefield at this exact moment so there will be no negotiation. If they get into a position where they are in the front foot again then they will atlk about negotiations knowing that they will likely not come to any agreement but negotiations get oress coverage in the West so its a chance to oush the Ukraine is crumbling and Russia is advancing narrative.
At this point I fear that this war just rumbkes in until voth sides are completely exhausted and it ends in a frozen war stalemate tyoe situation.
long ago we became US puppets. So…you know…
EDIT: since day 1 we did what US told us to do. Downvote this as much as you want, it wont change anything
With Putler and its Trump puppet, it is always projection. Hell is theirs to visit, not a minute too soon.
They control the Cheeto President.
Why the hell does the US get to have a seat at the table at all now? They have basically abandoned Ukraine at this point
Well, in this conflict, there’s Ukraine and Russia. If the Kremlin believes that Europe isn’ t needed as a mediator in the negotiations, then Ukraine should insist that it is. Or just not negotiate at all.
In fact, judging by Zelensky’s words, he isn’t too happy with Trump’s mediation either. And when you look at it, all the U.S. aid really amounts to is selling weapons to Europe for transfer to Ukraine, plus Starlink. For that, the U.S . has already secured rights to Ukraine’s mineral resources, regardless of the negotiation outcomes.
And if Russia wins, they’d also get the lion’s share of the assets frozen by Europe.
So, it’s worth waiting a bit.
P.S. Let’s see how Trump handles Iran. Looks like the U.S. operation there has deviated from the ideal scenario.
The US and Russia could have peace talks but Ukraine and Europe shouldn’t care less
Reading the comments, it’s clear you guys are living in fantasy land…
Russia talks only to USA because Trump is a Putin-admiring moron who has zero morals and would happily sell out Ukraine in exchange for his own personal benefit.
But it also means that the talks are meaningless because Europe is the one supporting Ukraine and sanctioning Russia, whereas USA has mostly given up on helping Ukraine and just lifted sanctions on Russia. We have zero reason to agree to anything negotiated without Europe taking part in the talks.
Russia must know this, which shows that the “peace talks” are fake, just a propaganda tool that Russia is using.
This isnt a decision Russia can make. Ukraine may in ite any third party they wish.
Putin doesnt want Europe there because he knows they will stop him manipulating the moron in the White House.
I don’t know how European and Ukrainian diplomats stay sane while having to deal with some of the worst people in this world.
Fine we’ll continue to send money and weapons
Indeed, Putin is the Devil.
Ok so we’ll continue financing Ukraine. Over a million Russian casualties and 0 European.
Maybe they’ll be smarter next time.