La comunità accademica irlandese si oppone fermamente alla rimozione del Triple Lock
Irish academic community strongly opposes removal of Triple Lock
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31 commenti
And that’s me now never voting SD.
Academic’s sitting in there ivory tower
the triple lock gives each of donald trump, xi jinping and vladimir putin a veto over any decisions made to deploy 12 or more of our troops overseas. the security council. Each permananet member has a veto!!!
thats madness. 3 power mad leaders who have threatened and in the case of trump and putin, actually invaded their neigbours.
you cannot give warmongers a veto over what our peacekeepers do.
” Back in 2013, Micheál Martin described the Triple Lock as a core part of Irish neutrality. Now, his Government is saying the opposite”
Its like some sort of large geo political event happened maybe around 2022 that may have caused a change in policy, as if the world isnt static or something…….
Least suprising opposition
Fair play,lets keep the triple lock,neutrality over war,every time.
Well if the Academic Experts say it, it Must be true.
I wonder will they be first to the front line with spades and forks if we ever faced an invasion like Ukraine or Palestine have and have done 0 prep for it on the assumption we can ask an invader, politely, to stop.
I do t want to pay more tax but we live in a less stable world and pretending that’s not the case is naive at best.
I’ve never understood this idea that removing the triple lock suddenly means that we can’t continue to be neutral in any future conflict, as if our application to join NATO is already in the mail and we have an order for a fleet of aircraft carriers ready to be sent off.
The Irish government themselves should be the only party involved regarding if and when Irish troops are deployed overseas. It’s that simple. Removing the UN’s ability to frustrate Ireland in this regard, and increasing the number of troops that can be deployed overseas without requiring Dail approval, is a good thing because we can continue follow a policy of neutrality for as long as it’s in the national interest. And as soon as it isn’t, we aren’t legally hamstringing ourselves into not being able to deploy troops at will, and as needed, should circumstances ever arise where we might want to.
The world is moving absurdly fast, and we have no idea what the geopolitical and security situations of 5, 10, 15 or 20 years down the road might look like. You cannot always see a crisis coming and affording the government the latitude to make its own decisions is a good thing.
Not all academics a small minority
Socdems are doing their best for relevancy at the moment
Sure it’s grand
Basically losers who don’t work in the real world.
The title alone is enough reason to support its removal.
The UN isn’t fit for purpose in this regard and I can’t see things getting any better any time soon. I’d rather the control was entirely in Ireland’s hands
It should be removed
Whatever about Putin before Profit & the Soc Dems to actually see SF wanting the British Government to have a Veto over where Irish Troops can be deployed is fucking hilarious
400 academics signed a letter. UCD alone has 2,100 academics.
> A letter signed by over 400 academics and university workers
That is a pretty tiny number of people to convince to sign even if all 400 were academics, but 400 “academics and university workers” when university workers is just anyone employed by a university in any capacity seem like nothing at all.
I just don’t see why any country should have input in to how our countries troops operate outside our allies that’s fair enough, but allowing the likes of Putin to decide it isn’t neutral it’s just stupid.
Removing the triple lock does not infringe on our neutrality. This needs to be repeated in the face of brazen attempts of misinformation by those who claim otherwise.
Those who want to preserve the triple lock are saying they do not want to entrust the Irish State and Irish people with what should rightfully be a sovereign Irish decision.
The opposition in this country are useless, all competing to be as far to the left as possible. The triple lock is an idiotic policy in the new geopolitical environment.
There was an argument in another thread about why anyone would vote FFG –
It’s because this is what the opposition is like: more beholden to principles than reality
Why do we uniquely not trust ourselves to decide when and how to deploy our own sovereign army, delegating the decision making to the UN ?
What’s so untrustworthy about our system that requires such external subordination?
It is totally ridiculous, scrap it.
You want Ireland neutral fine. Giving that fucking bollocks Putin the remotest say on the deployment of our own army?
Yeah, no thanks.
I just can’t think of any reason why removing it would be a good thing. There’s no benefit and it opens up horrific potential consequences in the future. What if something like the ‘War on Terror’ were to happen again. Could we absolutely trust a future Irish government to stay out of it? We have no idea who will be running our country in the future so this is a very important safety measure that allows Ireland to hold onto our neutrality.
Wonder how they define academic, is it by education level or anyone that has a job in r&d in a college?
Either way the triple lock needs to go
Where is the list of these “academics”?
Anyone with a university staff email account can call themselves an academic.
Irish neutrality, is born of a different era, and is not fit for purpose in the world today. Back when Ireland became independent we were a agrarian society, practically pre-industrial. Is was common for farms to be tilled by horse. We were self sufficient, because our standard of living was extremely basic.
Post WWII Ireland rapidly developed in a globalising world, making ourselves rich. It was an environment established in the wreckage of the previous era of great power conflict. International law was established to place limits on great powers vying for supremacy, so that they would not be destroyed again by another conflict.
It opened space for small countries without military power to establish themselves as free trading economies. Ireland was one of the greatest benefactors of this system, we jumped from poverty to prosperity.
However today international law is dead, free trade is ending. The institutions regulating international law, UN, WTO, ICJ have ceased to function. They’re talking shops where small countries can plead until we run out of breath but achieve nothing, because those with power have stopped listening or caring.
The global hegemon (USA), no longer believes in multilateralism, and has plainly stated that it believes that might makes right. Two of the UNSC members (USA, Russia) have launched major wars of aggression, and a third is preparing to launch a major conflict in the near future (China). These countries have power and willingness to pursue their interest through extreme violence and they don’t give a damn how it affects small neutral countries such as ours.
Every country in the world has become reliant upon global supply chains for their basic functions, from energy & food, to electronics & pharmaceuticals, we rely upon others to trade with us for our most basic needs. Our own industries cannot function without inputs from every corner of the world.
The free trade era is ending. Security in the free trade Era was essentially cost free, and we could trade with anyone around the world without any security considerations. The new great power era is beginning and security is going to become extremely costly.
Trade blocs that were created in the free trade era, will in the new great power era slowly morph into security blocs. They will only trade with those who can guarantee their supply chain security. Small countries will either join one, become a vassal to a great power or be cut off from world trade.
Why should other countries who have to maintain expensive Navy’s, Airforce’s, oversees bases, trade with Ireland, which does not contribute but only takes?
Add into this mix, the prospect of climate induced ecological collapse and security becomes an even greater concern.
I’ve voted mostly left leaning my entire life, including SD, Labour, Greens. However, all parties are not comprehending how the world is changing beneath their feet. The debate about neutrality is completely ignorant of the direction the world is heading.
No they don’t. About 2% of them do.
We might as well tie ourselves to the decisions of the League of Nations, for all the relevance the UN has these days. The veto powers of China, France, Russia, UK, USA mean there is going to be barely any conflict the UN will sanction invervention in.
Having said all that, I don’t think we should be going looking for conflicts to get involved in.
Ah yes academics 🫣 who live in a sheltered well paid bubble … In plain speak… they want the control of the Irish Army to remain with the UN… so much for sovereignty…
No country in its right mind with the exception of Israel, its proxy The US or Russia goes looking for war.
However, It is also true, that while you are not looking for war, war can find you. A recent example of this is Ukraine.
Ireland, with its abundance of US tech companies, will not escape a broader European war and so we must prepare to defend our own borders and those of the EU of which we are a member and benefit greatly from.