Boss islandese: le guardie di sicurezza dovrebbero portare manganelli per combattere la criminalità nel commercio al dettaglio
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/iceland-lord-walker-of-broxton-shoplifting-truncheons-pepper-spray-retail-crime-b2951681.html
di tylerthe-theatre
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In America they carry guns. In the UK they get fired if they try and stop a shoplifter. Crazy.
I’m all for them engaging with the garden variety crackhead if they risk assess it well and are game, but realistically this is not a good idea. If ‘kids’ do those flash mobs, guards are likely to get really hurt.
If thats the case then I want to be able to carry one to protect myself if they are legal for protecting a bag of frozen peas
carry them, have them stolen, be beaten with them and be sued into the ground if they dare try and use them
Perhaps the boss of Iceland would like to be the first to use such a weapon against children.
The public and those workers need better understanding/education of reasonable force and the rights they have in crime prevention, and those rights should be reviewed if not sufficient. It’s not clearly communicated and people are rightly worried about straying into criminality.
Stupid. That’ll just end up escalating into more violence, though it’ll be his staff being the ones getting hurt so maybe he doesn’t care.
We could just enforce our current laws, mad idea I know but surely it’s worth a try?
I think pepper spray would make more sense but I do agree with the general sentiment.
Yes, let’s escalate the situation. That’ll be beneficial for everyone in the long run.
Do Iceland security guards actually want truncheons to beat people up with?
“Social media made you all too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting popped in the mouth for it” – Mike Tyson
I bet the guards would still be paid minimum wage though.
I’ve been thinking about this lately we’re getting close to a point where like football games private business should be able to lease a bono-fide police officer to police their premises.
>Iceland boss: Security guards should carry truncheons and pepper spray to fight retail crime
The actual heading
They would need a law change to do this, private security aren’t permitted to carry stuff like that, certainly not high street. The ones you do see carrying anything for transporting high value etc require state approval to do so.
In theory I could see the merit, but god no.
The bar for being a security guard isn’t high, and I don’t think everyone with an SIA card should have a unique legal right to be armed.
Having met and worked with security guards with questionable training, morals, critical thinking skills and generalintelligence… I give it a week before someones granny has a skull fracture
Edit: Worked with a lot of great ones too.
Legalise pepper spray for anyone who doesn’t have any unspent convictions.
As someone who works in the industry, I have to say, there are very few people I have worked with that I would trust to carry any sort of weapon on them whilst on duty. Most people who go into this job just don’t have the temperament and their first recourse in any argument would be to immediately pull it out instead of actively engaging positively to try and deescalate the situation, which leads me to my next point – any time you arm someone with something like this, the emphasis on training shouldn’t necessarily be how to use it, but how NOT to use it. The emphasis really needs to be on de-escalation techniques and protecting yourself. Using weapons should always be a last resort, but for a lot of people, it becomes their first action in an incident, even when it’s totally unnecessary.
Ah yes, security guards should carry a thing they aren’t allowed to use, to fight crime.
Ignoring of course that if they use it, they are committing a fairly serious crime themselves – and it’s presence ensures it **will** be used.
Let’s not have a bunch of people without enough training carrying weapons to guard some random products.
Heck, they’re also too underpaid to have to deal with that.
>“I’ve always argued for more powers for security guards. You go to Spain and all the security guards have pepper spray and a truncheon, they don’t mess about.”
While living abroad I did see a lot of this and it did seem that shoplifting wasn’t a real issue. It’s something we might have to accept if we want solutions but not willing to pay for the police, putting the responsibility on the supermarkets to pay for it.
Security guards would be forming at the mouth for this
The first thing to do is give security guards more rights to be physically present in situations, and undergo training in self defence. Minimal force to protect yourself sure, but that doesn’t stop a fight, nor will it stop an attacker that is hellbent on causing damage to you.
Why would Iceland want their security guards to carry legal weapons, if at every turn a security guard acts they’re investigated?
They don’t get paid enough to take that kind of risk. Both to their own welfare and the potential legal problems this could cause, which would then cause the company to fire you.
yes shop lifting is bad, but how many times have we also seen security guards zealously over react or falsely believe someone is shop lifting or have taken a personal slight at what someone has done.
and you want these people to have the power to beat people up
And what law allows them to use truncations? Do we want a bunch of roided up minimum wage thugs being allowed to kosh people? Bouncers are already bad enough, these would be even worse at a bargain retailer.
The beatings will continue until ~~moral~~ my bank account improves.
I kinda agree with the idea of empowering security guards. If they become violent scumbags, people vote with their wallet by not shopping at a store.
The reason everything sucks right now is that we’ve defunded the police and not given the private sector enough powers to compensate.
Truncheons may not be enough against gangs armed with machetes, though…
The law around proportionate use of force for self-defence and in the prevention of crime should be taught in schools. This shit affects all of us and makes society and business easier if we collectively say no to this bs
And what happens when they inevitably get it wrong? This boss should take a baton to the side of the head before unleashing braindead security on the general public.
Weird that this isn’t already a thing.
In mainland Europe security guards can carry pepper spray and batons, some countries even let them carry firearms. Because a security guard cannot do their job properly without using physical force, and they therefore need the proper equipment to do so.
We’re the weird ones for requiring security to do a job that inherently requires getting into fights with people without letting them have the proper equipment necessary for doing so.
idiot, they do. it’s considered a lethal weapon though, my gf is a constable so I’ve held it, it’s just a straight up bar of metal, easily kills.
Most supermarket security guards are at retirement age, so I’m not sure this is the best idea.
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How about if supermarkets hire street gangs for security? Imagine supermarkets pay a local street gang to keep the peace in the shop – a monthly fee. The street gang keeps a few tough-looking kids with a gang logo security pin on their clothes on-site in the shop. Giving shop-visitors a menacing stare would instantly deter crime.
I’d imagine anyone thinking of shoplifting or causing a ruckus would think twice if they knew the local street gang would come down hard on them, not just in the shop but in the neighbourhood as well…
Then the criminals will come in with swords, axes and armour. Want to escalate up from that?