The government is the biggest block in the a happy supported loving ireland.
BadgerBitter5613 on
I doubt sinn feins approach to politics is going to entice unionists . Leo has done more for a united Ireland than Mary Lou
ails_bales on
Would she ever cop onto herself no chance the government are a bigger barrier than the unionists.
dustaz on
Counter opinion: SF are a bigger barrier to a united Ireland than any Irish government
Equivalent_Bet856 on
NI is no longer majority unionist. It isn’t majority nationalist either. There is a growing centre ground that is open to being convinced but it needs to see the Irish Government getting involved in planning. The FFG Government sees unity as a threat which will bolster SF so they refuse to plan anything or even set reunification as an ambition to work towards.
WatashiwaNobodyDesu on
Who keeps asking for her opinion is what I’d like to know. At this stage we know that “they should resign”, whoever “they” happens to be that day.
Craicriture on
It’s also a much more complicated proposal than is presented and discussed.
I always find that there’s a notion that NI would just quietly slip in as 6 county councils and a couple of city councils into our arsebackwards and broken local authority system for example is assumed.
Do you seriously think NI would give up the autonomous status of powerful regional government? Nationalism vs unionism aside, it has huge degrees of autonomy on wide ranging issues.
We’d need to look at completely restructuring the country, probably moving to genuine devolution of power to regional assemblies or provinces etc etc
Then you get into the perception that the NHS is a better model that the HSE. The realities are both have their issues and the HSE often outperforms it, except in the areas that are are too stretched and under capacity, but the expectation in NI of no out of pocket fees is a huge one and would require a total restructuring of healthcare.
And that’s before you get into the how to integrate unionism political discussions.
It was a far better situation when we were both in the EU and the border really didn’t matter at all and increasingly was becoming totally irrelevant. Brexit broke a lot of post 1990s systems.
We’re not having those kinds of discussions. Instead we’ve got this emotional discussion about high level constitutional politics and most parties and commentators never really delve much beyond that, but it’s those structural issues that have diverged a lot over the last ~124 years that would be quite challenging to reintegrate.
mrbuddymcbuddyface on
SF are always one step forward, two steps back.
They just preach populist slogans most of the time, the it’s ye olde United Ireland.
When it comes to a United Ireland, it’s purely down to when the populace in the six countries decide themselves.
Bill_Badbody on
Clearly a nonsense statement.
But its easter so I suppose MLM needs to say something to try and rile up her troops.
But she knows well its not true, but what does the truth really matter anymore.
TorpleFunder on
Not the half of Northern Irish people who want to stay part of the UK?
Every_Cantaloupe_967 on
I’d say one of the barriers is that the average lad on the street in the south, the north and the UK doesn’t really care whether we’re united or not. It’s just not something most people spend a lot of energy on anymore.
Brayrut on
She’s fairly disappearing these days
jacqueVchr on
I think it’d more so be the unionists there Mary Lou
CurrencyDesperate286 on
I would have figured it’s the fact that there isn’t yet a majority in the North who would vote for it
Zealousideal_Ad_3310 on
The Republic Of Ireland doesn’t want or need Northern Ireland and its knuckle draggers.
Mary Lou still blowing the very old IRA trumpet that modern Ireland doesn’t not care about nor want to know about, go away and climb back under your rock.
Rogue7559 on
Jesus read the room. Inflation killing the average person and she’s talking about needing to take on a failed welfare states whose only export is culture wars.
Hard pass.
AeternusExNocturnus on
It’d be a black hole for money if we took the north back, and it shouldn’t happen unless major reparation fines are paid by the British
sufi42 on
A united ireland would lead to SF being the largest party on the island, it’s not good for the FF or FG parties.
I think the lack of a direct elected Dublin mayor seems to be similar.
I mayor with a city budget, would be the second most powerful position in the county and most likely a SF mayor.
Coops1456 on
Biggest barrier to time travel is the government.
Biggest barrier to cold fusion is Micheál Martin.
Biggest barrier to ending war in Iran is FFG.
Biggest barrier to mamas and apple pie is Simon Harris.
HibernianMetropolis on
Pretty overtly dismissive of the Good Friday Agreement.
I agree that the government doesn’t do enough on United Ireland. I’ve long thought that there should be a dedicated government department for reunification, with a mandate to get a plan in place for what to do if a reunification referendum is triggered under the GFA. At present we have no idea what a United Ireland would look like, and it’s really on the government to plan for that and to make sure voters north and south are informed, because if there’s a yes vote and no plan in place it’s going to be a disaster. That doesn’t mean I think the Irish government should be advocating for a United Ireland, but ensuring there’s a well understood plan in place for what reunification would look like in practical terms.
But ultimately the clear biggest barrier to a United Ireland is that the people of NI don’t really want it at present. The real achievement of the GFA was putting the power to control the future of NI into the hands of voters in NI. It’s pretty dismissive of NI voters for Mary Lou to suggest that the government of Ireland has anything like a primary role in bringing about a United Ireland, that’s for NI voters alone.
EducationChemical488 on
Biggest Barrier is the SF boggieman to NI centerists & Protestants. Many in NI are only scared of a united Ireland exactly because of the boasting SF does that they’d dominate a united Ireland.
Nordies literally think SF represents the total majority of Republics politics when they cant even sustain their voteshare over 20%
jools4you on
In the Good Friday agreement is there anything about costs. I mean does the UK walk away from all the equipment they have paid for in schools, hospitals etc or do we have to buy it. Genuine question i have often wondered, one way to get a free water cannon 😉
daveirl on
When push comes to shove the average redditor will be blown away by how many in the South oppose this let alone the North. I’ve no interest in paying any more tax, I already pay 52% on marginal income. The North is a poorer place and we know from the Germany reunification how much that cost.
InfectedAztec on
Jesus Christ SF cant be taken seriously.
Government is at fault for everything according to them.
Ill_Today_5451 on
No, while there is any sort of unionist population in the north a united Ireland is off the table
Mary Lou talking shite again
Sad_Lock_592 on
not the 8-20 billion every year it will take to run for the Irish goverment?
jactertor on
As someone from the North, I’ve always felt there’s only going to be proper momentum when an Irish government creates a ministry for unity and sets about planning and costing unity ahead of a vote.
Ed_the_Led_Man on
The biggest barrier is people putting up stalling arguments
The governance arguments and emotive just lobside to pro unification
Governance – there is no agency to change or vehicle to change NI or the Republic’s border counties. Democratically they marginalized to a quagmire of irrelevancy. Ulster both sides are economically a basket case propted up by London or Dublin. Self governance of Stormont had never shown economy governance, and power sharing with its tribalism still is highly inefficive. Demographically split , neither have bite to influence Dublin or London, and even if they could, the border was not set up for economic practicality and Unionist trashed infrastructure projects that linked them to the main Irish economy. So it’s a basket case and lacks any means to change it , in a United scenario, NI vote would carry a punch in general elections and economic importance to Dublin
Emotive – 1916 , Brian ború , famine , yada yada , my main thing here is just how egregious the border is drawn in a gerrymandered way. Just to save political face, UK government drew borders in the independence era and all to quickly have a financial and political issue deficit with the provence since. They entertain the batshit views of Unionist , which is represented by fear mongering tribal arguments of popish Armageddon that cross the border into protestant Donegal , all fall apart.
NI is nonsense since the beginning, can we get on with it, obviously have a good 10 year build up to a referendum to have consultation with protestants, but really , ffs, I am sick that Derry and Belfast are so held back by this bullshit called power sharing Stormont , until its gone, NI is a place that is futureless thanks to unionist
GDow1981 on
Unionism?
Economic realities?
If folks have problems with a few immigrants getting crappy temporary accommodation cost a couple of millions imagine what they think when told they are expected to pay billions over a decade or two to merge systems and subsidize a social welfare system beyond what people in the south can expect. At best ignoring paramilitaries.
I’m not even arguing against a United ireland.
But to pretend this reality doesn’t exist discredits the entire Sinn Fein project. Because you cannot solve problems you claim do not exist and refuse to acknowledge. Imagine seriously the damage a Sinn Fein government would do trying to implement its concept of a United Ireland. Economically, politically and socially. It would make Brexit look like a minor event.
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The government is the biggest block in the a happy supported loving ireland.
I doubt sinn feins approach to politics is going to entice unionists . Leo has done more for a united Ireland than Mary Lou
Would she ever cop onto herself no chance the government are a bigger barrier than the unionists.
Counter opinion: SF are a bigger barrier to a united Ireland than any Irish government
NI is no longer majority unionist. It isn’t majority nationalist either. There is a growing centre ground that is open to being convinced but it needs to see the Irish Government getting involved in planning. The FFG Government sees unity as a threat which will bolster SF so they refuse to plan anything or even set reunification as an ambition to work towards.
Who keeps asking for her opinion is what I’d like to know. At this stage we know that “they should resign”, whoever “they” happens to be that day.
It’s also a much more complicated proposal than is presented and discussed.
I always find that there’s a notion that NI would just quietly slip in as 6 county councils and a couple of city councils into our arsebackwards and broken local authority system for example is assumed.
Do you seriously think NI would give up the autonomous status of powerful regional government? Nationalism vs unionism aside, it has huge degrees of autonomy on wide ranging issues.
We’d need to look at completely restructuring the country, probably moving to genuine devolution of power to regional assemblies or provinces etc etc
Then you get into the perception that the NHS is a better model that the HSE. The realities are both have their issues and the HSE often outperforms it, except in the areas that are are too stretched and under capacity, but the expectation in NI of no out of pocket fees is a huge one and would require a total restructuring of healthcare.
And that’s before you get into the how to integrate unionism political discussions.
It was a far better situation when we were both in the EU and the border really didn’t matter at all and increasingly was becoming totally irrelevant. Brexit broke a lot of post 1990s systems.
We’re not having those kinds of discussions. Instead we’ve got this emotional discussion about high level constitutional politics and most parties and commentators never really delve much beyond that, but it’s those structural issues that have diverged a lot over the last ~124 years that would be quite challenging to reintegrate.
SF are always one step forward, two steps back.
They just preach populist slogans most of the time, the it’s ye olde United Ireland.
When it comes to a United Ireland, it’s purely down to when the populace in the six countries decide themselves.
Clearly a nonsense statement.
But its easter so I suppose MLM needs to say something to try and rile up her troops.
But she knows well its not true, but what does the truth really matter anymore.
Not the half of Northern Irish people who want to stay part of the UK?
I’d say one of the barriers is that the average lad on the street in the south, the north and the UK doesn’t really care whether we’re united or not. It’s just not something most people spend a lot of energy on anymore.
She’s fairly disappearing these days
I think it’d more so be the unionists there Mary Lou
I would have figured it’s the fact that there isn’t yet a majority in the North who would vote for it
The Republic Of Ireland doesn’t want or need Northern Ireland and its knuckle draggers.
Mary Lou still blowing the very old IRA trumpet that modern Ireland doesn’t not care about nor want to know about, go away and climb back under your rock.
Jesus read the room. Inflation killing the average person and she’s talking about needing to take on a failed welfare states whose only export is culture wars.
Hard pass.
It’d be a black hole for money if we took the north back, and it shouldn’t happen unless major reparation fines are paid by the British
A united ireland would lead to SF being the largest party on the island, it’s not good for the FF or FG parties.
I think the lack of a direct elected Dublin mayor seems to be similar.
I mayor with a city budget, would be the second most powerful position in the county and most likely a SF mayor.
Biggest barrier to time travel is the government.
Biggest barrier to cold fusion is Micheál Martin.
Biggest barrier to ending war in Iran is FFG.
Biggest barrier to mamas and apple pie is Simon Harris.
Pretty overtly dismissive of the Good Friday Agreement.
I agree that the government doesn’t do enough on United Ireland. I’ve long thought that there should be a dedicated government department for reunification, with a mandate to get a plan in place for what to do if a reunification referendum is triggered under the GFA. At present we have no idea what a United Ireland would look like, and it’s really on the government to plan for that and to make sure voters north and south are informed, because if there’s a yes vote and no plan in place it’s going to be a disaster. That doesn’t mean I think the Irish government should be advocating for a United Ireland, but ensuring there’s a well understood plan in place for what reunification would look like in practical terms.
But ultimately the clear biggest barrier to a United Ireland is that the people of NI don’t really want it at present. The real achievement of the GFA was putting the power to control the future of NI into the hands of voters in NI. It’s pretty dismissive of NI voters for Mary Lou to suggest that the government of Ireland has anything like a primary role in bringing about a United Ireland, that’s for NI voters alone.
Biggest Barrier is the SF boggieman to NI centerists & Protestants. Many in NI are only scared of a united Ireland exactly because of the boasting SF does that they’d dominate a united Ireland.
Nordies literally think SF represents the total majority of Republics politics when they cant even sustain their voteshare over 20%
In the Good Friday agreement is there anything about costs. I mean does the UK walk away from all the equipment they have paid for in schools, hospitals etc or do we have to buy it. Genuine question i have often wondered, one way to get a free water cannon 😉
When push comes to shove the average redditor will be blown away by how many in the South oppose this let alone the North. I’ve no interest in paying any more tax, I already pay 52% on marginal income. The North is a poorer place and we know from the Germany reunification how much that cost.
Jesus Christ SF cant be taken seriously.
Government is at fault for everything according to them.
No, while there is any sort of unionist population in the north a united Ireland is off the table
Mary Lou talking shite again
not the 8-20 billion every year it will take to run for the Irish goverment?
As someone from the North, I’ve always felt there’s only going to be proper momentum when an Irish government creates a ministry for unity and sets about planning and costing unity ahead of a vote.
The biggest barrier is people putting up stalling arguments
The governance arguments and emotive just lobside to pro unification
Governance – there is no agency to change or vehicle to change NI or the Republic’s border counties. Democratically they marginalized to a quagmire of irrelevancy. Ulster both sides are economically a basket case propted up by London or Dublin. Self governance of Stormont had never shown economy governance, and power sharing with its tribalism still is highly inefficive. Demographically split , neither have bite to influence Dublin or London, and even if they could, the border was not set up for economic practicality and Unionist trashed infrastructure projects that linked them to the main Irish economy. So it’s a basket case and lacks any means to change it , in a United scenario, NI vote would carry a punch in general elections and economic importance to Dublin
Emotive – 1916 , Brian ború , famine , yada yada , my main thing here is just how egregious the border is drawn in a gerrymandered way. Just to save political face, UK government drew borders in the independence era and all to quickly have a financial and political issue deficit with the provence since. They entertain the batshit views of Unionist , which is represented by fear mongering tribal arguments of popish Armageddon that cross the border into protestant Donegal , all fall apart.
NI is nonsense since the beginning, can we get on with it, obviously have a good 10 year build up to a referendum to have consultation with protestants, but really , ffs, I am sick that Derry and Belfast are so held back by this bullshit called power sharing Stormont , until its gone, NI is a place that is futureless thanks to unionist
Unionism?
Economic realities?
If folks have problems with a few immigrants getting crappy temporary accommodation cost a couple of millions imagine what they think when told they are expected to pay billions over a decade or two to merge systems and subsidize a social welfare system beyond what people in the south can expect. At best ignoring paramilitaries.
I’m not even arguing against a United ireland.
But to pretend this reality doesn’t exist discredits the entire Sinn Fein project. Because you cannot solve problems you claim do not exist and refuse to acknowledge. Imagine seriously the damage a Sinn Fein government would do trying to implement its concept of a United Ireland. Economically, politically and socially. It would make Brexit look like a minor event.