Absolutely, and they’re going to pay for it in the next election. Final nail in the coffin for this shower.
mrlinkwii on
id disagree here id argue martin , harris and jim comes out of thias looking very good here ,
if not their fault the americans started to bomb iran
B8_B8_B8 on
At least Leo had the decency to spit on the thermometer first.
TeamYay on
It’s hardly surprising, considering they got voted in for the umpteenth time. That tends to send a message that they are doing what the voters want.
Such_Baker8707 on
I’d have a lot more support for them if they’d gone in and cleared out this rabble last Thursday when they should have done.
Far_Explanation8338 on
Very much in line with my thinking all week. Martin and Harris talked down to the protesters on day one. If they had any sense whatsoever, they’d have met the convoy on day one with flasks of tea.
They would have spent a couple of hours talking to them informally at the protest. Make sure they felt heard and understood. Promised to look at it with urgency and put together a package.
Then they should have said “we’re going to do our absolute best for you, but we need you to take every step to ensure emergency services can do their jobs.”
Would it have worked? Maybe, maybe not. But in terms of the PR battle, it would have had a lot more of the public on the side of the government a lot sooner.
And the protesters wouldn’t have been able to say “they won’t even talk to us”.
RealDealMrSeal on
Did anyone expect them to handle this well or in a timely manner?
Have they ever been proactive or on top of a crisis since coming into power together?
HungTeen1001 on
More like they should’ve dragged these scumbags off the roads on day 1.
Hi_Doctor_Nick_ on
Perhaps not the way you think though. I know a fair few people who are pissed off they let it get this far before the fuckwits blocking the fuel depot got pepper sprayed.
YoureNotEvenWrong on
Most people I know were pissed how it was consequence free when it went far beyond a protest
Real issue is how a few could disrupt the entire county with zero consequences.
It sets a precedent for further small groups leveraging whatever they can to cripple the country for their own gains
EmiliaPains- on
They failed to five years ago more, they’ll fail again
Disagree. This has turned into a right-wing challenge to the authority of the state, and the main failing of the government was allowing a small group to feel empowered by standing back and letting them disrupt the country. Now they have a real problem as we are seeing how weak and ineffectual the state is, and we lack a large enough defence force to protect internal security.
Any of the left-wing parties who are even half-thinking of supporting this are empowering the very thing that hates them.
JohnC_92 on
I think they’ve actually played a blinder. They just had to do nothing long enough that a lot of people would side against the protestors, then today float stories of no more fuel tax cuts but a handout to farmers, which is going to drive people further out of alignment with the protestors. You can see people on here now and other places lapping up the farmer hate.
I can’t find it now, but I saw a comment on Reddit earlier on saying “fuck FFG” and it was mass downvoted.
Some job by the government imo
MAVERICK910 on
This gov won’t last the year. Completely out of touch.
Same arrogance in 2008 is repeating.
Micheal Martin acting like a teacher scolding the bold pupils.
There will be regime change everywhere except Iran lol
Quietgoer on
So many pro-MeHole shills in here
unfortunatesoul77 on
Is there anything to be said for a no confidence vote👀👀
Elegant-Fisherman555 on
I mean did anyone expect differently?
The same as the issue with people flying in from outside the EU, destroying their passports on the plane and claiming asylum when they landed. It was such a small percentage, but their failure to take action and downplaying it directly fueled far right anti immigrant protests.
People complaining about the scrotes in Dublin and anti social behavior ignored until a yank tourist got attacked and then the justice minister doing a walk with a Garda escort to convince everyone how safe Dublin is. (Objectively yes it is safe).
What about the issue of affordability and housing, wasn’t really a fucking problem until tech companies struggled to attract talent because of the cost of living and namely rent making Dublin less attractive to come and work.
Sometimes I think in this country we are secretly into like BDSM or some humiliation kink to suffer these people since ‘09. Almost 20 years now.
I swear there has to be a better alternative than FFG which is more of the same or some alt right far right offering.
The labor and greens constantly selling out anytime they get a sniff of power in a coalition.
Individual-Mud262 on
For not dealing with this problem and protecting public infrastructure I could never vote for them.
Lonely_Eggplant_4990 on
MM down in Glengariff at his daughters wedding today too.
ChaosActual on
This is what happens with no NPHET or EU to tell them what to do
GlorEUW on
> Crucially, they are not alone: there is a genuine frustration among the wider public over fuel prices.
>
> There are also a number of ‘bad actors’ who have jumped on the bandwagon seeking to skew this to their own agenda – a point made strongly by the government this week.
why are the journal giving them this out? “bad actors” haven’t “jumped on the bandwagon” these blockades were organised and spearheaded by far-right people with an axe to grind against the government over immigration, environmental issues, and “LGBT ideology”, and at best they conned some of the “wider public” into joining in.
justformedellin on
I disagree, I think a lot of people will seriously be questioning whether there is any credible alternative to FFG now. SF supported this nonsense- what would life be like under SF government. I took a wander down to O’Connell Street earlier to take a look at the trucks. I felt like shouting “Up the Gardaí” at them. I’ve never felt that way before in my life. I should say that I find Micheal Martin very unlikeable on a personal level and I’ve never voted FF before in my life.
The main complaint against the government seems to be that they didn’t get physical sooner but this was a very volatile situation. They had to seriously assess the risk of escalation first.
GDow1981 on
This is frankly 💩
Wish fulfillment from pro protesters who are realizing they are fucked politically (everyone now hates them, they destroyed the initial sympathy).
Every time a protest “leader” opens their mouth and explains what they want and what they are prepared to do to get it people get baffled and angry. Incoherent and prepared to hurt cancer patients for.. nonsense.
Politicians will be judged.. Mary Lou has guaranteed she’ll be deposed as leader in months.
Deciding to come out to sympathize with protesters just as their public support was totally collapsing shows her level of acumen..
Sinn Fein should be ahead in polls etc with rising prices etc.. they aren’t because the incompetence is so so obvious. And the right wing populist have just embraced a movement who told the whole nation to go fuck themselves and didn’t care if loved ones couldn’t get chemo..
The real clowns are kind of obvious now
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Absolutely, and they’re going to pay for it in the next election. Final nail in the coffin for this shower.
id disagree here id argue martin , harris and jim comes out of thias looking very good here ,
if not their fault the americans started to bomb iran
At least Leo had the decency to spit on the thermometer first.
It’s hardly surprising, considering they got voted in for the umpteenth time. That tends to send a message that they are doing what the voters want.
I’d have a lot more support for them if they’d gone in and cleared out this rabble last Thursday when they should have done.
Very much in line with my thinking all week. Martin and Harris talked down to the protesters on day one. If they had any sense whatsoever, they’d have met the convoy on day one with flasks of tea.
They would have spent a couple of hours talking to them informally at the protest. Make sure they felt heard and understood. Promised to look at it with urgency and put together a package.
Then they should have said “we’re going to do our absolute best for you, but we need you to take every step to ensure emergency services can do their jobs.”
Would it have worked? Maybe, maybe not. But in terms of the PR battle, it would have had a lot more of the public on the side of the government a lot sooner.
And the protesters wouldn’t have been able to say “they won’t even talk to us”.
Did anyone expect them to handle this well or in a timely manner?
Have they ever been proactive or on top of a crisis since coming into power together?
More like they should’ve dragged these scumbags off the roads on day 1.
Perhaps not the way you think though. I know a fair few people who are pissed off they let it get this far before the fuckwits blocking the fuel depot got pepper sprayed.
Most people I know were pissed how it was consequence free when it went far beyond a protest
Real issue is how a few could disrupt the entire county with zero consequences.
It sets a precedent for further small groups leveraging whatever they can to cripple the country for their own gains
They failed to five years ago more, they’ll fail again
https://preview.redd.it/81a08p99tkug1.jpeg?width=360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7bf074286e8bf5cbfe608be971626ad5e63833bb
Of the nation or 300 odd farmers?
Disagree. This has turned into a right-wing challenge to the authority of the state, and the main failing of the government was allowing a small group to feel empowered by standing back and letting them disrupt the country. Now they have a real problem as we are seeing how weak and ineffectual the state is, and we lack a large enough defence force to protect internal security.
Any of the left-wing parties who are even half-thinking of supporting this are empowering the very thing that hates them.
I think they’ve actually played a blinder. They just had to do nothing long enough that a lot of people would side against the protestors, then today float stories of no more fuel tax cuts but a handout to farmers, which is going to drive people further out of alignment with the protestors. You can see people on here now and other places lapping up the farmer hate.
I can’t find it now, but I saw a comment on Reddit earlier on saying “fuck FFG” and it was mass downvoted.
Some job by the government imo
This gov won’t last the year. Completely out of touch.
Same arrogance in 2008 is repeating.
Micheal Martin acting like a teacher scolding the bold pupils.
There will be regime change everywhere except Iran lol
So many pro-MeHole shills in here
Is there anything to be said for a no confidence vote👀👀
I mean did anyone expect differently?
The same as the issue with people flying in from outside the EU, destroying their passports on the plane and claiming asylum when they landed. It was such a small percentage, but their failure to take action and downplaying it directly fueled far right anti immigrant protests.
People complaining about the scrotes in Dublin and anti social behavior ignored until a yank tourist got attacked and then the justice minister doing a walk with a Garda escort to convince everyone how safe Dublin is. (Objectively yes it is safe).
What about the issue of affordability and housing, wasn’t really a fucking problem until tech companies struggled to attract talent because of the cost of living and namely rent making Dublin less attractive to come and work.
Sometimes I think in this country we are secretly into like BDSM or some humiliation kink to suffer these people since ‘09. Almost 20 years now.
I swear there has to be a better alternative than FFG which is more of the same or some alt right far right offering.
The labor and greens constantly selling out anytime they get a sniff of power in a coalition.
For not dealing with this problem and protecting public infrastructure I could never vote for them.
MM down in Glengariff at his daughters wedding today too.
This is what happens with no NPHET or EU to tell them what to do
> Crucially, they are not alone: there is a genuine frustration among the wider public over fuel prices.
>
> There are also a number of ‘bad actors’ who have jumped on the bandwagon seeking to skew this to their own agenda – a point made strongly by the government this week.
why are the journal giving them this out? “bad actors” haven’t “jumped on the bandwagon” these blockades were organised and spearheaded by far-right people with an axe to grind against the government over immigration, environmental issues, and “LGBT ideology”, and at best they conned some of the “wider public” into joining in.
I disagree, I think a lot of people will seriously be questioning whether there is any credible alternative to FFG now. SF supported this nonsense- what would life be like under SF government. I took a wander down to O’Connell Street earlier to take a look at the trucks. I felt like shouting “Up the Gardaí” at them. I’ve never felt that way before in my life. I should say that I find Micheal Martin very unlikeable on a personal level and I’ve never voted FF before in my life.
The main complaint against the government seems to be that they didn’t get physical sooner but this was a very volatile situation. They had to seriously assess the risk of escalation first.
This is frankly 💩
Wish fulfillment from pro protesters who are realizing they are fucked politically (everyone now hates them, they destroyed the initial sympathy).
Every time a protest “leader” opens their mouth and explains what they want and what they are prepared to do to get it people get baffled and angry. Incoherent and prepared to hurt cancer patients for.. nonsense.
Politicians will be judged.. Mary Lou has guaranteed she’ll be deposed as leader in months.
Deciding to come out to sympathize with protesters just as their public support was totally collapsing shows her level of acumen..
Sinn Fein should be ahead in polls etc with rising prices etc.. they aren’t because the incompetence is so so obvious. And the right wing populist have just embraced a movement who told the whole nation to go fuck themselves and didn’t care if loved ones couldn’t get chemo..
The real clowns are kind of obvious now