Well that’s that then if Westminster say nope that’s it done and dusted. I wonder where John goes from here no point in saying give us a majority for independence when the referendum has already been ruled out.
Itsstillyourturn on
Is there a mechanism whereby the rest of the UK can get together, call their bluff and vote Scotland out? Bored of listening to the constant moaning.
SinisterPixel on
I say this as an English person, but if we want to prevent Scottish independance, we should actually be making it so being part of the UK is an overall benefit to the people of Scotland. Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland are far too underrepresented, and they basically need to go along with whatever the English say. I’d be pissed too in their position.
All we’re doing is pissing them off more by saying they can’t leave.
nickmasonsdrumstick on
Oh this again. How about trying to actually fix things in Scotland? Instead of chasing a pipe dream.
2121wv on
Cameron opened a tin of worms when he allowed the first one. Now because of a ridiculous decision by one of our worst PMs, the SNP will claim it’s anti-democratic not to have constant referendums on ending the UK every 5 minutes.
The only solution is a firm agreement between the major Westminster parties not to say yes to this.
MurkyLynx8425 on
As an indy supporter, I think it’s unfair for the UKGov to veto an indyref2 forever. 12 years later the political situation is very different and there are potentially nearly a million new voters (around 15% of the voting population) – I think it would be fair to allow one soon.
However I am a believer in referenda requiring a supermajority – at least 60% or 67% in my opinion.Â
And there are other ‘safeguards’ you could emplace like ensuring at least one full parliamentary election happens during the scexit process, with the mandate that the decision could be reversed if e.g. the SNP fuck it up or it starts to look sketchy. It should never be a ‘one and done’ type of decision.
But ultimately I think the SNP lost their ability to inspire the people of scotland a while ago. With the sturgeon/Murrell scandal especially. Driving the decision through inspiration and hope rather than hate and division is key to securing more than 40-50% of the vote.Â
I don’t think I’ll be voting SNP in the may elections..
WarspitesGuns on
Scotland was told that leaving the UK meant leaving the EU. Then Brexit came and Scotland was dragged out against its will precisely because it stayed in a UK that wanted to shoot itself in the foot. That alone is fair grounds for another independence referendum in my book
so-many-sandwiches on
Even though opinion polls suggest around 50% support for independence, I don’t think the Yes side would stand much chance of winning. The global political and security situation has changed a lot since 2014. The deficit has grown significantly. It’s also hard to imagine how a future No campaign could be any worse than Better Together was.
A brave (maybe foolish) PM might see it as an opportunity to settle the argument for the foreseeable future, similar to what happened in Quebec. But I think they’d get away with just saying no again, unless and until support for independence becomes the majority view for a sustained period of time AND it is seen as a top priority by voters, which I don’t believe it is currently.
Uniform764 on
Why is Streeting giving interviews on Scottish Independence and Trump/Iran when he can’t competently do his own job of running the NHS yet?
Traxex117 on
Considering how shit the SNP are running Scotland, they should maybe focus on other areas rather than indendence.
ErikChnmmr on
Then deliver on the promises given so that Scotland would remain… like retaining EU membership… oh…
ume-shu on
It’s always good to see the “we don’t think about Scotland at all” crowd turning into frothing, seething messes at the merest mention of Scotland hahaha.
No-Strike-4560 on
Let’s do a deal.Â
If we get another referendum on the EU, then after that, the Scots can have another leave UK ref.Â
floorscentadolescent on
It’s completely undemocratic to go “well the 1st vote didn’t work… Let’s try again!”
Obi-Scone on
Have we missed the main point that Wes Streeting is a total weasel who shouldn’t be allowed near power?
andercode on
The first vote was a “once in a lifetime” or “once in a generation” thing… Wait another 20 years, and maybe it will be time. Right now, it’s not time. You had your chance…
Mr_XcX on
SNP just a disaster. If I was in Scotland I would vote Labour over them. Any day of the week
Mason_Caorunn on
The corporate shill who held his ‘safe’ seat by just over 200 votes continues to piss everyone off.
Food-in-Mouth on
I feel the biggest problem in the UK at the moment is independence, but those who are the most hard done by I feel is England, they are fully and totally controlled by Western minster who have no interest other than the London and home counties.
What England needs is its own government base it somewhere in the middle of the country Birmingham Manchester Liverpool maybe, then each country can send representatives for international affairs and things that affect the Union.
I hope this will have the effect of bringing all parts of England to the same level because there are many places that are currently very under invested in.
famouspeter on
Excellent. While we’re at it, can we bin off general elections too? Once your mind is made up, that’s it in politics. Wes himself knows all about the importance of staying true to your principles. He likes receiving money from private healthcare interests and isn’t afraid to show it. We need more politicians like him.
Buddie_15775 on
Hmmmm, I’m loathe to agree with Westminsters best snake oil salesman but he’s got a point. At a time when the country is split on the independence question and both sides would run potentially divisive campaigns, is now really the best time?
We are having an election for the Holyrood parliament atm, this is a campaign where the key issues are cost of living and public services. Not independence.
BTW, the best route to a new vote would be an increase in support for independence. Maybe the SNP should try to win hearts and minds on that issue first?
NathanDavie on
No matter what happens in the next election, there’s some peace to be found in knowing Streeting will lose his seat to the Greens.
Beancounter_1968 on
Who cares what that Tory fanboy looking nonentity says does or thinks ?
Prick looks like a young Lord Charles ventriloquist dummy
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Well that’s that then if Westminster say nope that’s it done and dusted. I wonder where John goes from here no point in saying give us a majority for independence when the referendum has already been ruled out.
Is there a mechanism whereby the rest of the UK can get together, call their bluff and vote Scotland out? Bored of listening to the constant moaning.
I say this as an English person, but if we want to prevent Scottish independance, we should actually be making it so being part of the UK is an overall benefit to the people of Scotland. Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland are far too underrepresented, and they basically need to go along with whatever the English say. I’d be pissed too in their position.
All we’re doing is pissing them off more by saying they can’t leave.
Oh this again. How about trying to actually fix things in Scotland? Instead of chasing a pipe dream.
Cameron opened a tin of worms when he allowed the first one. Now because of a ridiculous decision by one of our worst PMs, the SNP will claim it’s anti-democratic not to have constant referendums on ending the UK every 5 minutes.
The only solution is a firm agreement between the major Westminster parties not to say yes to this.
As an indy supporter, I think it’s unfair for the UKGov to veto an indyref2 forever. 12 years later the political situation is very different and there are potentially nearly a million new voters (around 15% of the voting population) – I think it would be fair to allow one soon.
However I am a believer in referenda requiring a supermajority – at least 60% or 67% in my opinion.Â
And there are other ‘safeguards’ you could emplace like ensuring at least one full parliamentary election happens during the scexit process, with the mandate that the decision could be reversed if e.g. the SNP fuck it up or it starts to look sketchy. It should never be a ‘one and done’ type of decision.
But ultimately I think the SNP lost their ability to inspire the people of scotland a while ago. With the sturgeon/Murrell scandal especially. Driving the decision through inspiration and hope rather than hate and division is key to securing more than 40-50% of the vote.Â
I don’t think I’ll be voting SNP in the may elections..
Scotland was told that leaving the UK meant leaving the EU. Then Brexit came and Scotland was dragged out against its will precisely because it stayed in a UK that wanted to shoot itself in the foot. That alone is fair grounds for another independence referendum in my book
Even though opinion polls suggest around 50% support for independence, I don’t think the Yes side would stand much chance of winning. The global political and security situation has changed a lot since 2014. The deficit has grown significantly. It’s also hard to imagine how a future No campaign could be any worse than Better Together was.
A brave (maybe foolish) PM might see it as an opportunity to settle the argument for the foreseeable future, similar to what happened in Quebec. But I think they’d get away with just saying no again, unless and until support for independence becomes the majority view for a sustained period of time AND it is seen as a top priority by voters, which I don’t believe it is currently.
Why is Streeting giving interviews on Scottish Independence and Trump/Iran when he can’t competently do his own job of running the NHS yet?
Considering how shit the SNP are running Scotland, they should maybe focus on other areas rather than indendence.
Then deliver on the promises given so that Scotland would remain… like retaining EU membership… oh…
It’s always good to see the “we don’t think about Scotland at all” crowd turning into frothing, seething messes at the merest mention of Scotland hahaha.
Let’s do a deal.Â
If we get another referendum on the EU, then after that, the Scots can have another leave UK ref.Â
It’s completely undemocratic to go “well the 1st vote didn’t work… Let’s try again!”
Have we missed the main point that Wes Streeting is a total weasel who shouldn’t be allowed near power?
The first vote was a “once in a lifetime” or “once in a generation” thing… Wait another 20 years, and maybe it will be time. Right now, it’s not time. You had your chance…
SNP just a disaster. If I was in Scotland I would vote Labour over them. Any day of the week
The corporate shill who held his ‘safe’ seat by just over 200 votes continues to piss everyone off.
I feel the biggest problem in the UK at the moment is independence, but those who are the most hard done by I feel is England, they are fully and totally controlled by Western minster who have no interest other than the London and home counties.
What England needs is its own government base it somewhere in the middle of the country Birmingham Manchester Liverpool maybe, then each country can send representatives for international affairs and things that affect the Union.
I hope this will have the effect of bringing all parts of England to the same level because there are many places that are currently very under invested in.
Excellent. While we’re at it, can we bin off general elections too? Once your mind is made up, that’s it in politics. Wes himself knows all about the importance of staying true to your principles. He likes receiving money from private healthcare interests and isn’t afraid to show it. We need more politicians like him.
Hmmmm, I’m loathe to agree with Westminsters best snake oil salesman but he’s got a point. At a time when the country is split on the independence question and both sides would run potentially divisive campaigns, is now really the best time?
We are having an election for the Holyrood parliament atm, this is a campaign where the key issues are cost of living and public services. Not independence.
BTW, the best route to a new vote would be an increase in support for independence. Maybe the SNP should try to win hearts and minds on that issue first?
No matter what happens in the next election, there’s some peace to be found in knowing Streeting will lose his seat to the Greens.
Who cares what that Tory fanboy looking nonentity says does or thinks ?
Prick looks like a young Lord Charles ventriloquist dummy