Genuinely don’t understand how airlines are allowed to get away with all of this nonsense. Like they’re even allowed to overbook a flight and sell more tickets than there are seats in case someone doesn’t show up.
Prior_Worldliness287 on
This isn’t the airlines. This is European airports problem.
The airlines can’t do anything about it. They can’t get people though, they can’t other than suggest an earlier arrival to the airport.
If you’re flying in the school holidays from Schengen to non Schengen I’d leave 4hrs. 3hrs minimum.
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But wouldn’t they have done the EES on arrival to their airport? Or do people in the same queue who have not registered get lumbered with people who have registered creating the backlog?
PeterG92 on
Really failing to see the benefit of EES with these stories I’m hearing. What was wrong with a grumpy bloke stamping your passport?
Ok-Information4938 on
Presuming there are separate lines for EU passport holders?
Can thus hopefully avoid this.
From memory, Linate has separate e-gates for EU passports. Thankfully.
Doesn’t stop some GB passports being tried in those gates though, clogging the line.
But the issue with Linate for non schenhen: the gate area is VERY SMALL with only four or so exits. There are also almost no facilities inside. So there’s a reason for the reticence to let people through early although clearly that went wrong with the subsequent checks.
andeke07 on
The whole process in general just seems to take longer, registered or not. I have been doing a lot of UK-EU travel recently. Previously, the process took maybe 30 seconds per passenger. Now I am scanning my fingerprints, having a photo taken, and in recent trips the border guards all seem to be asking my about my previous visit to the EU, looking for my stamps, etc.
I arrived at CDG recently and got moved to 3 separate queues during my time in the border area.
In addition, most of the airports I have been arriving at only have 2 or 3 guards in the “all passports” booths. Loads of the booths are empty and the queues are long.
It’s easily adding an extra 30s-1m per passenger. That doesn’t sound long, but multiply that by 50 passengers or more in the queue and you’ve got a long wait.
Appropriate_Bell743 on
From Luxembourg it’s always the better choice to use the Eurostar. This is especially the case in the new reality of jet-fuel shortages.
amusableblue on
A huge problem with this is the amount of UK boomers than struggled to follow the basic directions in even the pre-EES checks.
I went to Paris CDG twice late last year and passport control was made all the worse by the amount of older Brits who could not follow fucking simple instructions.
Prior_Worldliness287 on
Actually I’m saying arrive early. Your guest get is travel to small airports with infrequent flights.
Fearless-Egg-6646 on
It’s insane that airlines can just shrug and leave when a system they know is chaotic causes delays. The EES rollout seems to be creating more problems than it solves, and stories like this make you wonder what the actual point is. Passengers are left holding the bag for thousands while the companies face zero consequences. The whole industry needs a serious shake-up.
Sunshinetrooper87 on
The Ryanair desk opens 2 hours before my flight. I have to go to them first to drop off my luggage. So how am I meant to give 3-4 hours as recommended to do Schengen to non Schengen?
Danielharris1260 on
I remember last year a lot of Labour figures and the media were making out the deal we made with the EU last year that including stuff like E gate access was such a big win turns out it was always the EUs intention to allow all trusted 3rd country nationals use Egates with EES and it really wasn’t some kind of win for us.
Dr_Jack_XXX on
EES is a shambles. Finger prints and photo on the way in. Biggest delays were family’s with kids that aren’t tall enough for the camera . Parents holding them up and trying to keep out the photo. Many took several attempts. Massively longer time.
Way back another photo, same issues with the kids . Luckily as there were only two flights that day and everyone was on the one flight in the morning they held the flight, delayed by about 50 mins as they waited for people who were still trying to get through passport control.
British are the biggest tourists to many European countries. If it stays like this with hours of delays and missed flights then I can see people not bothering and going elsewhere.
Timely_Resist_2744 on
Airlines have been saying for well over a year that these rules are due to be implemented and to be at the airport at least 3hours (preferably more) in advance as it will take time for everyone to be processed. It was also the final weekend of the school Easter holidays for the majority of the country, which again would make it busier, so they should’ve been leaving for the airport even earlier.
I flew to and from Milan last month, and we were warned about it, even though it hadn’t actually started yet. All of these travellers would have had the same warnings and have no one to blame but themselves for not giving enough time, but of course they would never admit to that.
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Genuinely don’t understand how airlines are allowed to get away with all of this nonsense. Like they’re even allowed to overbook a flight and sell more tickets than there are seats in case someone doesn’t show up.
This isn’t the airlines. This is European airports problem.
The airlines can’t do anything about it. They can’t get people though, they can’t other than suggest an earlier arrival to the airport.
If you’re flying in the school holidays from Schengen to non Schengen I’d leave 4hrs. 3hrs minimum.
But wouldn’t they have done the EES on arrival to their airport? Or do people in the same queue who have not registered get lumbered with people who have registered creating the backlog?
Really failing to see the benefit of EES with these stories I’m hearing. What was wrong with a grumpy bloke stamping your passport?
Presuming there are separate lines for EU passport holders?
Can thus hopefully avoid this.
From memory, Linate has separate e-gates for EU passports. Thankfully.
Doesn’t stop some GB passports being tried in those gates though, clogging the line.
But the issue with Linate for non schenhen: the gate area is VERY SMALL with only four or so exits. There are also almost no facilities inside. So there’s a reason for the reticence to let people through early although clearly that went wrong with the subsequent checks.
The whole process in general just seems to take longer, registered or not. I have been doing a lot of UK-EU travel recently. Previously, the process took maybe 30 seconds per passenger. Now I am scanning my fingerprints, having a photo taken, and in recent trips the border guards all seem to be asking my about my previous visit to the EU, looking for my stamps, etc.
I arrived at CDG recently and got moved to 3 separate queues during my time in the border area.
In addition, most of the airports I have been arriving at only have 2 or 3 guards in the “all passports” booths. Loads of the booths are empty and the queues are long.
It’s easily adding an extra 30s-1m per passenger. That doesn’t sound long, but multiply that by 50 passengers or more in the queue and you’ve got a long wait.
From Luxembourg it’s always the better choice to use the Eurostar. This is especially the case in the new reality of jet-fuel shortages.
A huge problem with this is the amount of UK boomers than struggled to follow the basic directions in even the pre-EES checks.
I went to Paris CDG twice late last year and passport control was made all the worse by the amount of older Brits who could not follow fucking simple instructions.
Actually I’m saying arrive early. Your guest get is travel to small airports with infrequent flights.
It’s insane that airlines can just shrug and leave when a system they know is chaotic causes delays. The EES rollout seems to be creating more problems than it solves, and stories like this make you wonder what the actual point is. Passengers are left holding the bag for thousands while the companies face zero consequences. The whole industry needs a serious shake-up.
The Ryanair desk opens 2 hours before my flight. I have to go to them first to drop off my luggage. So how am I meant to give 3-4 hours as recommended to do Schengen to non Schengen?
I remember last year a lot of Labour figures and the media were making out the deal we made with the EU last year that including stuff like E gate access was such a big win turns out it was always the EUs intention to allow all trusted 3rd country nationals use Egates with EES and it really wasn’t some kind of win for us.
EES is a shambles. Finger prints and photo on the way in. Biggest delays were family’s with kids that aren’t tall enough for the camera . Parents holding them up and trying to keep out the photo. Many took several attempts. Massively longer time.
Way back another photo, same issues with the kids . Luckily as there were only two flights that day and everyone was on the one flight in the morning they held the flight, delayed by about 50 mins as they waited for people who were still trying to get through passport control.
British are the biggest tourists to many European countries. If it stays like this with hours of delays and missed flights then I can see people not bothering and going elsewhere.
Airlines have been saying for well over a year that these rules are due to be implemented and to be at the airport at least 3hours (preferably more) in advance as it will take time for everyone to be processed. It was also the final weekend of the school Easter holidays for the majority of the country, which again would make it busier, so they should’ve been leaving for the airport even earlier.
I flew to and from Milan last month, and we were warned about it, even though it hadn’t actually started yet. All of these travellers would have had the same warnings and have no one to blame but themselves for not giving enough time, but of course they would never admit to that.