Its a good read, regardless of standpoint on the protests.
No_Tomato6638 on
If only we could revolt by culminating a decent political party 😩
Unhappy-Avocado1531 on
”Cant afford to move” but they can afford to take days off work? If these farmers with millions worth of assets in livestock, land, machinery etc. were bankers or financial employees with assets we wouldnt turn a blind eye to the nonsense. Why do they get a free pass?
Dannyforsure on
They allow themselves to become completely discredited when the let’s the loons lead it. The unfortunate reality is though those people are more then happy to turn up.
DaveShadow on
Look, agree with or disagree with the protests (and the polls seem to suggest there’s a large split there), the reality is these protests are largely born from people being so incredibly frustrated with the current government.
I get there’s a significant part of the country are relatively comfortable and happy with them, but there’s also 50% of the country (in particular, outside Dublin) who are not only frustrated but constantly ignored. A great example of that is how many people were trying to outline why these protests were getting support on here but were just bombed into oblivion with downvotes from people who wanted to keep the discourse as “they’re scumbags, the army should murder them all”. There was zero desire to have a nuanced conversation on here about it. It was just instant aggression.
I fully appreciate that there’s a middle class who are seeing their assets rocket up, or have jobs that insulate them from the worst of the global economic issues. But that’s not everyone. There’s a lot of people finding the costs of food and energy ever rocketing forward, way beyond whats viable. There’s a massive, massive chunk of the country who feel they’re drowning, and the government response is to always dismiss them, and tell them it isn’t even wet.
At some point, when people are constantly shoved and shoved, they snap, in various manners. The protests, and the support they got, was people snapping at a government whose campaign slogans nowadays seem to be “Vote for us, we’re powerless to ever fix anything”. If the government want to cut the legs out from under SF or any insurgent right wing movement or whoever, they do that by not pretending the country ends at the border created by the M50.
But so long as the response continues to be to try and ignore everyone who tries to point this out, then you’re building more and more of a pressure point, where the release of frustration will get more dangerous as time goes on. When people are drowning, they simply won’t accept being gaslit that it’s not wet. They’ll go find the outstretched hand that’s offering them aide, which is a super dangerous thing to allow happen.
DanceTheNight88 on
The headline, straight away, leads me to believe the article was GPT written
Rabid_Lederhosen on
> CONSIDER CONTEMPORARY LIFE in Ireland: The three-hour commute because the train doesn’t exist. The GP list that’s been closed for two years. The €2,200 rent for a one-bed that would cost €900 in Vienna. The 14-month wait for an MRI on the public list, or five days if you can pay. The schools with no places, the buses that don’t come, the €12 sandwiches.
But the protesters didn’t push to fix any of those things. They just wanted lower taxes on fuel (and maybe oil drilling in the sea).
Quietgoer on
Not a hope that MeHole will bring up the Hormuz issue when he goes over to plámás Trump on paddy’s day next year
GerKoll on
“As rich as Denmark, but delivering less than Poland.”
Okay, I fully agree, been saying this for years, but how is blocking people, who are sitting in the exact same boat, from going to work helping anyone? Or having a go at people running a soup kitchen? Or those stupid “Make Ireland great again” flags…
FeistyPromise6576 on
If there was any political party who was happy to commit to infrastructure at the cost of short term spending and bailouts for various special sectors of the economy I’d vote for them but there isnt(if there is let me know).
Fozzybearisyourdaddy on
Country is a ship. We are the passengers. What qualifies us to pick a crew and captain when we know nothing about sailing or the sea?
sundae_diner on
We had an election less than 18 months ago.
Another one today probably won’t change anything (based on the last 20 years of governments).
Useful_Engineer_1792 on
But we know there are huge problems with the hse, nobody is not blaming successive government for that. Knowing that the likes of the hse already being on the edge and the protestors actively blockading people getting to their appointments is 100% wrong no matter what way you look at it. Tell cancer patients suffering with nausea from treatment that sure you being stuck in traffic now for hours is the hse’s fault, not the a hole in the tractor/truck up ahead actually blocking the road.
This protest was wrong, not because there was a protest, it was how the protest was implemented. Slow roll protest becomes completely blockade the road. No communication to the public as to when and where the protests would happen.
I get what the writer is saying but you cannot ignore the real consequences of implementing a protest in this way and how it actually affects people’s lives – the very ones that are hurting. This article tries to absolve the protestors of responsibility for their actions.
marks-ireland on
Ireland is not a “wealthy” country. We’re a high income country and the distinction is very important. The likes of Austria and Denmark have generations of wealth, they plan prudently, invest and think of the long term. Much like a wealthy person who has built up a business and invested in their future.
Ireland by comparison is like a young basketball player who has just signed their first contract and is blowing all their new money on things they don’t need. And taking out debt while they’re at it. This is not wealth.
Grand-Cup-A-Tea on
Neighbours bought their gaff next to me for €80k and it’s now worth €850k. For a certain generation, there is wealth. For younger generations, there’s none.
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Its a good read, regardless of standpoint on the protests.
If only we could revolt by culminating a decent political party 😩
”Cant afford to move” but they can afford to take days off work? If these farmers with millions worth of assets in livestock, land, machinery etc. were bankers or financial employees with assets we wouldnt turn a blind eye to the nonsense. Why do they get a free pass?
They allow themselves to become completely discredited when the let’s the loons lead it. The unfortunate reality is though those people are more then happy to turn up.
Look, agree with or disagree with the protests (and the polls seem to suggest there’s a large split there), the reality is these protests are largely born from people being so incredibly frustrated with the current government.
I get there’s a significant part of the country are relatively comfortable and happy with them, but there’s also 50% of the country (in particular, outside Dublin) who are not only frustrated but constantly ignored. A great example of that is how many people were trying to outline why these protests were getting support on here but were just bombed into oblivion with downvotes from people who wanted to keep the discourse as “they’re scumbags, the army should murder them all”. There was zero desire to have a nuanced conversation on here about it. It was just instant aggression.
I fully appreciate that there’s a middle class who are seeing their assets rocket up, or have jobs that insulate them from the worst of the global economic issues. But that’s not everyone. There’s a lot of people finding the costs of food and energy ever rocketing forward, way beyond whats viable. There’s a massive, massive chunk of the country who feel they’re drowning, and the government response is to always dismiss them, and tell them it isn’t even wet.
At some point, when people are constantly shoved and shoved, they snap, in various manners. The protests, and the support they got, was people snapping at a government whose campaign slogans nowadays seem to be “Vote for us, we’re powerless to ever fix anything”. If the government want to cut the legs out from under SF or any insurgent right wing movement or whoever, they do that by not pretending the country ends at the border created by the M50.
But so long as the response continues to be to try and ignore everyone who tries to point this out, then you’re building more and more of a pressure point, where the release of frustration will get more dangerous as time goes on. When people are drowning, they simply won’t accept being gaslit that it’s not wet. They’ll go find the outstretched hand that’s offering them aide, which is a super dangerous thing to allow happen.
The headline, straight away, leads me to believe the article was GPT written
> CONSIDER CONTEMPORARY LIFE in Ireland: The three-hour commute because the train doesn’t exist. The GP list that’s been closed for two years. The €2,200 rent for a one-bed that would cost €900 in Vienna. The 14-month wait for an MRI on the public list, or five days if you can pay. The schools with no places, the buses that don’t come, the €12 sandwiches.
But the protesters didn’t push to fix any of those things. They just wanted lower taxes on fuel (and maybe oil drilling in the sea).
Not a hope that MeHole will bring up the Hormuz issue when he goes over to plámás Trump on paddy’s day next year
“As rich as Denmark, but delivering less than Poland.”
Okay, I fully agree, been saying this for years, but how is blocking people, who are sitting in the exact same boat, from going to work helping anyone? Or having a go at people running a soup kitchen? Or those stupid “Make Ireland great again” flags…
If there was any political party who was happy to commit to infrastructure at the cost of short term spending and bailouts for various special sectors of the economy I’d vote for them but there isnt(if there is let me know).
Country is a ship. We are the passengers. What qualifies us to pick a crew and captain when we know nothing about sailing or the sea?
We had an election less than 18 months ago.
Another one today probably won’t change anything (based on the last 20 years of governments).
But we know there are huge problems with the hse, nobody is not blaming successive government for that. Knowing that the likes of the hse already being on the edge and the protestors actively blockading people getting to their appointments is 100% wrong no matter what way you look at it. Tell cancer patients suffering with nausea from treatment that sure you being stuck in traffic now for hours is the hse’s fault, not the a hole in the tractor/truck up ahead actually blocking the road.
This protest was wrong, not because there was a protest, it was how the protest was implemented. Slow roll protest becomes completely blockade the road. No communication to the public as to when and where the protests would happen.
I get what the writer is saying but you cannot ignore the real consequences of implementing a protest in this way and how it actually affects people’s lives – the very ones that are hurting. This article tries to absolve the protestors of responsibility for their actions.
Ireland is not a “wealthy” country. We’re a high income country and the distinction is very important. The likes of Austria and Denmark have generations of wealth, they plan prudently, invest and think of the long term. Much like a wealthy person who has built up a business and invested in their future.
Ireland by comparison is like a young basketball player who has just signed their first contract and is blowing all their new money on things they don’t need. And taking out debt while they’re at it. This is not wealth.
Neighbours bought their gaff next to me for €80k and it’s now worth €850k. For a certain generation, there is wealth. For younger generations, there’s none.
Either way, the blockades were not the answer.