I would assume Lebanon would be happy to have France with them. But evidently, power dynamics between Israel and Lebanon are extremely lopsided. Not difficult to see why Israel would not be happy to have France join, given France’s very poor relationship with Israel for years. Surely this would have been an expected outcome in the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs? Ultimately, Israel is a major power in the Middle East and France has virtually no leverage to make itself truly important in the Middle East. Can’t really expect them to invite you if you also impose an arms embargo on them
Anyway, I have difficulty seeing where this could go. Israel cannot extract a disarmament of Hezbollah from these talks as Lebanon simply cannot credibly promise that, as they would risk a civil war. Their military is just not strong enough. Moreover, international missions (UNIFIL) have had the mandate to disarm Hezbollah, and miserably failed at that. So what other mechanism exists then?
So then the next best thing for Israel would be normalization including formal diplomatic relations with Lebanon, but that would also be incredibly difficult for Lebanon to offer, even if they would be inclined to do so.
So what’s then for Israel to get? A ceasefire with the Lebanese government that has no control over the forces Israel is fighting with in the first place and virtually no chance of getting that control? Sounds pretty hopeless as a resolution for this conflict.
Most likely, the US, like in Gaza and Iran last year, will just force Israel to stop and then it’ll freeze over roughly current lines.
WhenWeWereAtVoine on
Well maybe it’s time we enforce a total travel ban and total trade ban with israel, and then we can see if Europe has a place in the peace talks or not?
Toums95 on
Help us get rid of the EU-Israel Association Agreement
Well, sorry to say, but in this case Israel is right. What did France ever do for Lebanon? When they had a chance to remove the foreign occupying force of Hezbollah, did they do anything about it? When Hezbollah violated UN resolutions time and time again, and caused a million people to flee their homes in northern Israel, did France do anything about it?
They don’t get to be there now and pretend to be the responsible adult, they have directly caused all the problems in Lebanon and Syria and did nothing to help for decades.
There will be peace between Israel and Lebanon and Hezbollah will get dismantled, but France were a part of the problem, they will not be a part of the solution.
Blubbolo on
Israel is already demolishing houses and buildings in southern Lebanon, there are videos of their crimes.
Peace talk are just there to get some time to finish their new “colonizer buildings” and move people there, to then claim it’s theirs promised land.
Forsaken-Medium-2436 on
Of course they don’t anybody on peace talks because it will involve annexing another “buffer zone” in southern Lebanon, without allies Lebanon will have no say on it
Any-Original-6113 on
History is repeating itself- just like in the Russia – Ukraine conflict, where Russia absolutely refuses to see Europeans (including the French) as mediators, believing that Europe can’t threaten it in any way.
In the same vein, Israel is now telling France that it can go deal with other matters- they’ll manage here without it.
Does France have any way to force Israel into a ceasefire?
No.
Dependent-Entrance10 on
If Israel is mad at you, you’re doing something right!
Calm-Scallion-8540 on
La diplomatie c est du long terme. Netaniayou et Trump comme est du court terme. Le contentieux avec Israël se réglera dans le temps . Israël n est pas unf puissance économique, Israël n est rien sans les états unis . Un jour où l autre ils devront rendre des comptes .
Movilitero on
so, France wants to make a law where criticizing Israel is forbidden and thats how they pay them back? oh, wow… lol
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TXDobber on
It is remarkable though, how France has historically been Lebanon’s patron… and yet they are completely uninvolved in the current situation. Not Israel, not LF, not Hezbollah, nobody in Beirut… nobody asked for French involvement in talks. Incredible given how deep the French-Lebanon relationship has run historically.
Israel doesn’t even need to say it, Lebanon is not even asking for the French to be involved lol.
yeshuahanotsri on
France has a debt towards Lebanon, but to have Lebanon under the protection of France sounds very Sykes-Picot to me. But maybe for the Lebanese being a protectorate is better than whatever this is.
InternationalAd5800 on
Well Israel has no place in Lebanon, yet there they are
Narcisistagohome on
Cool. Time to scrap all deals between the EU and Israel and close the European markets to their genocidal shit. They should be treated like Russia, at least.
morbihann on
May be EU needs a buffer zone around the eastern mediterranean as well ? For safety, you know.
Visylva on
France always talks big and it never amounts to anything. Macron has been constantly talking about helping Lebanon and he hasn’t done anything since the conflict restarted.
Meanwhile, the French legislative is trying to criminalize any criticism of Israel. How can anyone take this nation serious?
lehmx on
Being hated by these genocidal fucks is a badge of honor
NO_LOADED_VERSION on
France and Lebanon have DEEP historical ties going back further than the 1700s , Lebanese are welcomed and numerous in France and their cuisine is second to NONE.
Yeah the French absolutely have a place in peace talks.
apoca1ypse12 on
Israel is fast becoming mini russia, isnt it. Bibi = Temu putin
swainiscadianreborn on
Sorry boyo you don’t really have any mean to keep Frace out of it.
Edexote on
Spoken just like Russia does.
FiestyDwarf on
As a French, I can say that I don’t care about Lebanon or Israel. Wouldn’t really make a difference if they stopped existing, except that the world would probably be safer.
psychopape on
Not far from 2039-2045.
kardfogK on
I think isreal has no place in Lebanon
avdaxumaxu on
Trade and weapon embargo NOW. Fuck their arrogance.
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I would assume Lebanon would be happy to have France with them. But evidently, power dynamics between Israel and Lebanon are extremely lopsided. Not difficult to see why Israel would not be happy to have France join, given France’s very poor relationship with Israel for years. Surely this would have been an expected outcome in the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs? Ultimately, Israel is a major power in the Middle East and France has virtually no leverage to make itself truly important in the Middle East. Can’t really expect them to invite you if you also impose an arms embargo on them
Anyway, I have difficulty seeing where this could go. Israel cannot extract a disarmament of Hezbollah from these talks as Lebanon simply cannot credibly promise that, as they would risk a civil war. Their military is just not strong enough. Moreover, international missions (UNIFIL) have had the mandate to disarm Hezbollah, and miserably failed at that. So what other mechanism exists then?
So then the next best thing for Israel would be normalization including formal diplomatic relations with Lebanon, but that would also be incredibly difficult for Lebanon to offer, even if they would be inclined to do so.
So what’s then for Israel to get? A ceasefire with the Lebanese government that has no control over the forces Israel is fighting with in the first place and virtually no chance of getting that control? Sounds pretty hopeless as a resolution for this conflict.
Most likely, the US, like in Gaza and Iran last year, will just force Israel to stop and then it’ll freeze over roughly current lines.
Well maybe it’s time we enforce a total travel ban and total trade ban with israel, and then we can see if Europe has a place in the peace talks or not?
Help us get rid of the EU-Israel Association Agreement
https://eci.ec.europa.eu/055/public/#/screen/home
Well, sorry to say, but in this case Israel is right. What did France ever do for Lebanon? When they had a chance to remove the foreign occupying force of Hezbollah, did they do anything about it? When Hezbollah violated UN resolutions time and time again, and caused a million people to flee their homes in northern Israel, did France do anything about it?
They don’t get to be there now and pretend to be the responsible adult, they have directly caused all the problems in Lebanon and Syria and did nothing to help for decades.
There will be peace between Israel and Lebanon and Hezbollah will get dismantled, but France were a part of the problem, they will not be a part of the solution.
Israel is already demolishing houses and buildings in southern Lebanon, there are videos of their crimes.
Peace talk are just there to get some time to finish their new “colonizer buildings” and move people there, to then claim it’s theirs promised land.
Of course they don’t anybody on peace talks because it will involve annexing another “buffer zone” in southern Lebanon, without allies Lebanon will have no say on it
History is repeating itself- just like in the Russia – Ukraine conflict, where Russia absolutely refuses to see Europeans (including the French) as mediators, believing that Europe can’t threaten it in any way.
In the same vein, Israel is now telling France that it can go deal with other matters- they’ll manage here without it.
Does France have any way to force Israel into a ceasefire?
No.
If Israel is mad at you, you’re doing something right!
La diplomatie c est du long terme. Netaniayou et Trump comme est du court terme. Le contentieux avec Israël se réglera dans le temps . Israël n est pas unf puissance économique, Israël n est rien sans les états unis . Un jour où l autre ils devront rendre des comptes .
so, France wants to make a law where criticizing Israel is forbidden and thats how they pay them back? oh, wow… lol
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It is remarkable though, how France has historically been Lebanon’s patron… and yet they are completely uninvolved in the current situation. Not Israel, not LF, not Hezbollah, nobody in Beirut… nobody asked for French involvement in talks. Incredible given how deep the French-Lebanon relationship has run historically.
Israel doesn’t even need to say it, Lebanon is not even asking for the French to be involved lol.
France has a debt towards Lebanon, but to have Lebanon under the protection of France sounds very Sykes-Picot to me. But maybe for the Lebanese being a protectorate is better than whatever this is.
Well Israel has no place in Lebanon, yet there they are
Cool. Time to scrap all deals between the EU and Israel and close the European markets to their genocidal shit. They should be treated like Russia, at least.
May be EU needs a buffer zone around the eastern mediterranean as well ? For safety, you know.
France always talks big and it never amounts to anything. Macron has been constantly talking about helping Lebanon and he hasn’t done anything since the conflict restarted.
Meanwhile, the French legislative is trying to criminalize any criticism of Israel. How can anyone take this nation serious?
Being hated by these genocidal fucks is a badge of honor
France and Lebanon have DEEP historical ties going back further than the 1700s , Lebanese are welcomed and numerous in France and their cuisine is second to NONE.
Yeah the French absolutely have a place in peace talks.
Israel is fast becoming mini russia, isnt it. Bibi = Temu putin
Sorry boyo you don’t really have any mean to keep Frace out of it.
Spoken just like Russia does.
As a French, I can say that I don’t care about Lebanon or Israel. Wouldn’t really make a difference if they stopped existing, except that the world would probably be safer.
Not far from 2039-2045.
I think isreal has no place in Lebanon
Trade and weapon embargo NOW. Fuck their arrogance.