I hate them for their grifting antics but it seems a bit like copium to me…the polling shows that far right in Europe now has a floor and a ceiling in pretty much every country and that they are here to stay. There’s also the matter of both legal (India trade deal) and illegal migration (ME, food and climate instability) only getting higher. And people will react to that like they did post Syria migration crisis. I really don’t think politicians from the centre “get” it, but Magyar kind of does : he campaigned against cheap migrant labour deals Orban negotiated.
The media landscape is now just extremely favourable to them.
Coupe368 on
Its probably less to do with the politics and far more to do with the obvious russian influence and corruption.
Anyone in Europe that values their jobs better start acting very anti-putin immediately.
Docccc on
ehhh no he did not
sweetcinnamonpunch on
Maybe he inspired far right parties across europe, but I doubt he’s inspiring a lot of voters. It’s their national politics and government that do that.
Enough_Code_3831 on
If the new hungarian government exposes all the Orban’s corruption it will be a reminder to all european countries to choose wisely.
Eymrich on
Russian influenced European right wing and Orban was one of such pupet.
Every political person supporting these twats are corrupted traitors that should go to jail or worse.
BenButton123 on
Won’t speak for other countries but I can guarantee that nobody planning to vote for Reform in Britain cares about Orban. It’s immigration, nothing that complicated about it.
Any-Original-6113 on
I think the article is too optimistic: even the author can’t say that Magyar is a centrist. He’s more like the AfD in Germany in his views- and they’re considered far‑ right.
So the author’s hope that the British will suddenly think they should vote for Labour is based on very shaky ground.
Farage is certainly evil. But voters chose Brexit, even though that was also evil and they were told so. Only through their own mistakes can people learn.
Ability to vote for such people stems from so so many disabilities. I don’t expect any change.
sjw_7 on
Typical Guardian flailing about attacking the right in ways that make absolutely no sense. It was a tweet from 8 years ago and probably not saying what they are implying.
In the UK for those who even know who he is Orban is pretty much universally considered a twat.
NoRecipe3350 on
Just a heads up, the Guardian has been more or less wrong on everything they’ve predicted over the years, like this over the past few years- Brexit, Trump, Boris winning an election, rise of Reform, or cheering on doomed losers like Jeremy Corbyn or more latterly Zack Polanski. Western European rightwing and it’s causes/base support exists completely indepdenently of Hungary, and Poland, and indeed any other such country in the region.
Do you think anyone in Britain gives a shit about whats going on in Hungary in relation to our domestic politics such as migrant boat arrivals, Boriswave, Islamic extremists and sharia law, ethnic displacement of natives etc. Outside of politics obsessives, no one cares about Hungary.
Confident_Republic42 on
in the long run it will likely increase surpport for the right
Educational_Word_895 on
I am sorry to say that, but that is BS. It is very good news that Orban is gone, but that was a Hungarian issue that does not change the overall upwards trend of European right wing authoritarianism. We also should not forget that he ruled for what, 16 years?
Angela Merkel ruled that long and boy were we fed up by the end.
I just hope Europe now manages to get rid of the ability of single states to veto everything, but alas, there is Slovakia and the Czech Republic who might now have every incentive to pick up the authoritarian torch.
Buckle up, we are not out of the woods. This is likely just the end of the beginning.
MetroidvaniaListsGuy on
No it doesn’t. They are guaranteed to come to power here in Norway due to the utter incompetence, corruption, and stupidity of the labor party and socialist left party in Norway.
Jaded_Finding3963 on
W
ganbaro on
Here in Germany the AfD certainly looks up to Orban, but they rarely refer to him as an example, and they don’t use him much in advertisement. Some for Austrian FPÖ, for example.
Tbh I feel like many of Guardian Opinion articles are just left of center copium the kind off the average Redditor would wish to be true. Perfectly fine, but I don’t need a newspaper for low effort copium that matches my priors as a Greens voter. I have Reddit for that.
skylu1991 on
Well, here’s to hoping!
DiMezenburg on
nah, we thought the was a c**t
SeriesDowntown5947 on
No.
AlbertoRossonero on
Those countries policy inspired the growth of the right wing, blaming it one outside forces is just a crap excuse to not change anything.
WellsHuxley on
Lol no
bxzidff on
Even as someone who vote for the left, it is frankly irresponsible of the Guardian to write “rightwingers” when Orban is a very specific kind of rightwinger, the disgustingly corrupt and russophile one.
We who disagree conservative parties still should absolutely not mix these kind of corrupt traitor parties with regular conservatives.
The conflation benefits people like Orban, Trump, and Putin.
We are not the US, there is a vast spectrum of parties that are good and less good without being soulless pieces of shit
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I hate them for their grifting antics but it seems a bit like copium to me…the polling shows that far right in Europe now has a floor and a ceiling in pretty much every country and that they are here to stay. There’s also the matter of both legal (India trade deal) and illegal migration (ME, food and climate instability) only getting higher. And people will react to that like they did post Syria migration crisis. I really don’t think politicians from the centre “get” it, but Magyar kind of does : he campaigned against cheap migrant labour deals Orban negotiated.
The media landscape is now just extremely favourable to them.
Its probably less to do with the politics and far more to do with the obvious russian influence and corruption.
Anyone in Europe that values their jobs better start acting very anti-putin immediately.
ehhh no he did not
Maybe he inspired far right parties across europe, but I doubt he’s inspiring a lot of voters. It’s their national politics and government that do that.
If the new hungarian government exposes all the Orban’s corruption it will be a reminder to all european countries to choose wisely.
Russian influenced European right wing and Orban was one of such pupet.
Every political person supporting these twats are corrupted traitors that should go to jail or worse.
Won’t speak for other countries but I can guarantee that nobody planning to vote for Reform in Britain cares about Orban. It’s immigration, nothing that complicated about it.
I think the article is too optimistic: even the author can’t say that Magyar is a centrist. He’s more like the AfD in Germany in his views- and they’re considered far‑ right.
So the author’s hope that the British will suddenly think they should vote for Labour is based on very shaky ground.
Farage is certainly evil. But voters chose Brexit, even though that was also evil and they were told so. Only through their own mistakes can people learn.
P.S. A poll in Scotland currently shows that Scottish nationalists will come to power there.
https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/54511-first-yougov-mrp-of-the-2026-holyrood-election-suggests-the-snp-could-win-a-majority
More like under new management
Ability to vote for such people stems from so so many disabilities. I don’t expect any change.
Typical Guardian flailing about attacking the right in ways that make absolutely no sense. It was a tweet from 8 years ago and probably not saying what they are implying.
In the UK for those who even know who he is Orban is pretty much universally considered a twat.
Just a heads up, the Guardian has been more or less wrong on everything they’ve predicted over the years, like this over the past few years- Brexit, Trump, Boris winning an election, rise of Reform, or cheering on doomed losers like Jeremy Corbyn or more latterly Zack Polanski. Western European rightwing and it’s causes/base support exists completely indepdenently of Hungary, and Poland, and indeed any other such country in the region.
Do you think anyone in Britain gives a shit about whats going on in Hungary in relation to our domestic politics such as migrant boat arrivals, Boriswave, Islamic extremists and sharia law, ethnic displacement of natives etc. Outside of politics obsessives, no one cares about Hungary.
in the long run it will likely increase surpport for the right
I am sorry to say that, but that is BS. It is very good news that Orban is gone, but that was a Hungarian issue that does not change the overall upwards trend of European right wing authoritarianism. We also should not forget that he ruled for what, 16 years?
Angela Merkel ruled that long and boy were we fed up by the end.
I just hope Europe now manages to get rid of the ability of single states to veto everything, but alas, there is Slovakia and the Czech Republic who might now have every incentive to pick up the authoritarian torch.
Buckle up, we are not out of the woods. This is likely just the end of the beginning.
No it doesn’t. They are guaranteed to come to power here in Norway due to the utter incompetence, corruption, and stupidity of the labor party and socialist left party in Norway.
W
Here in Germany the AfD certainly looks up to Orban, but they rarely refer to him as an example, and they don’t use him much in advertisement. Some for Austrian FPÖ, for example.
Tbh I feel like many of Guardian Opinion articles are just left of center copium the kind off the average Redditor would wish to be true. Perfectly fine, but I don’t need a newspaper for low effort copium that matches my priors as a Greens voter. I have Reddit for that.
Well, here’s to hoping!
nah, we thought the was a c**t
No.
Those countries policy inspired the growth of the right wing, blaming it one outside forces is just a crap excuse to not change anything.
Lol no
Even as someone who vote for the left, it is frankly irresponsible of the Guardian to write “rightwingers” when Orban is a very specific kind of rightwinger, the disgustingly corrupt and russophile one.
We who disagree conservative parties still should absolutely not mix these kind of corrupt traitor parties with regular conservatives.
The conflation benefits people like Orban, Trump, and Putin.
We are not the US, there is a vast spectrum of parties that are good and less good without being soulless pieces of shit