Good. Over population is starting to become a real problem.
EdikTheFurry on
We are seeing now an acute shortage of employees in different sectors. Healthcare is one of them.
Now, if that is caused by dropping population numbers, retirement of the boomer generation or just the shitty work conditions and salaries within that sector is a separate topic…
Mindless_Patience594 on
It is far less of a drop than expected honestly
mustafakapasi69 on
fewer workers more retirees and everyone still arguing about immigration like it’s not part of the equation
J-96788-EU on
Who is going to pay in for your pension and healthcare when you retire?
DavidlikesPeace on
Rather small, yes?
If this is the “extinction” that racists use to whitewash crimes and excuse their ties to Maga or Putin, what a moral tragedy.
Europe can survive that trend. So can all the developed world. The Earth doesn’t need runaway human population growth.
Madatefute on
With israel help , this can happen this year!
Pacosturgess on
Is that bad?
Domi4 on
Maybe then I’ll get my apartment.
ssushi-speakers on
Good. This nonsense if ever increasing populations needs to stop. We should reduce the population and if we’re willingly doing it, we should be happy.
Delicious-Gap1744 on
Keep in mind, projecting current trends all the way to 2100, is not a serious attempt at a prediction. It’s just highlighting what will happen if things don’t change.
It’s almost guaranteed current trends will not continue. Birthrates won’t necessarily continue to drop forever, we don’t know, it could also be worse than expected, only thing I’m saying is likely is that current trends are unlikely to continue as in this model.
So many factors are in play. What if we cure ageing? We have successfully reversed ageing in mice, and human trials begin this year, that could reduce the effects of low birthrates. Immigration is a big factor.
Sci-fi sounding technology aside, birthrates dropped to lows as bad as today, below replacement level, in much of Europe during the interwar period (1918-1939). Then they went up again. France also saw a massive demographic transition in the 1800s, dropping near replacement levels, although still above.
It’s not completely unprecedented. The unprecedented aspect is that it is a global trend.
But getting back above replacement levels, is not impossible. I don’t agree with people that say it’s **just** culture. Yes, our different society and culture in the developed world does mean we’re probably never getting back to 3-4 births per woman. But getting back above water, around 2, I do think is feasible by greatly reducing inequality, and making life much more affordable. Say, it becomes possible for every family to live on just 1 wage for an extended period of time (doesn’t have to be the father, could be the mother too), or both parents just having part time jobs.
PeterServo on
Fewer people with higher living standards? Hopefully.
Familiar_Link_5131 on
we need robots working for retirement benefits
Plantpong on
Philosophy tube has a great video on why this might not be as big of a problem as you think
xyzsomething on
Good stuff
Xion66 on
And still politicians will make this about immigration (from both sides) and give zero focus to improve and benefit the general population to want and actually afford having more than one kid, if any.
morbihann on
May be implement long term policies to stimulate young people to have children rather and not be paralyzed with worrying where to live and how to afford children rather than import labour from abroad ?
Foreign_Implement897 on
I like the 0,1 accuracy for 75 year projections.
geizige-vorhaut2289 on
Would’ve been 50% without immigration and people will still cry about it
AageBrodtgaard on
>This information comes from the population projections published by Eurostat today. The results are based on assumptions of partial convergence of EU countries’ fertility, mortality and migration patterns
Why would one expect partial convergence of fertility and migration in EU countries?
Ubbesson on
Who cares. Population of Europe was 1/4 of that in 1800.. we don’t need so many people in the age of AI and automation..
Phantasmal-Lore420 on
Oh no… we can barely afford to live decently and people are shocked that we aren’t fucking and making children? Wow, so shocking /s
I’ll be dead by then so who gives a fuck
Sailing-Mad-Girl on
Is that a problem? There is a lot of overcrowding in the EU (and in the UK). Seems to me that reducing the population isn’t a bad thing.
Of course, some of us are going to have to look after ourselves without much help as we age. 🤷
DDmist on
Does the article take the projected number of climate change refugees into account or is it only a birthrate/deathrate thing?
Albertpm95 on
Can’t wait to still have issues with inflated home prices.
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Good. Over population is starting to become a real problem.
We are seeing now an acute shortage of employees in different sectors. Healthcare is one of them.
Now, if that is caused by dropping population numbers, retirement of the boomer generation or just the shitty work conditions and salaries within that sector is a separate topic…
It is far less of a drop than expected honestly
fewer workers more retirees and everyone still arguing about immigration like it’s not part of the equation
Who is going to pay in for your pension and healthcare when you retire?
Rather small, yes?
If this is the “extinction” that racists use to whitewash crimes and excuse their ties to Maga or Putin, what a moral tragedy.
Europe can survive that trend. So can all the developed world. The Earth doesn’t need runaway human population growth.
With israel help , this can happen this year!
Is that bad?
Maybe then I’ll get my apartment.
Good. This nonsense if ever increasing populations needs to stop. We should reduce the population and if we’re willingly doing it, we should be happy.
Keep in mind, projecting current trends all the way to 2100, is not a serious attempt at a prediction. It’s just highlighting what will happen if things don’t change.
It’s almost guaranteed current trends will not continue. Birthrates won’t necessarily continue to drop forever, we don’t know, it could also be worse than expected, only thing I’m saying is likely is that current trends are unlikely to continue as in this model.
So many factors are in play. What if we cure ageing? We have successfully reversed ageing in mice, and human trials begin this year, that could reduce the effects of low birthrates. Immigration is a big factor.
Sci-fi sounding technology aside, birthrates dropped to lows as bad as today, below replacement level, in much of Europe during the interwar period (1918-1939). Then they went up again. France also saw a massive demographic transition in the 1800s, dropping near replacement levels, although still above.
It’s not completely unprecedented. The unprecedented aspect is that it is a global trend.
But getting back above replacement levels, is not impossible. I don’t agree with people that say it’s **just** culture. Yes, our different society and culture in the developed world does mean we’re probably never getting back to 3-4 births per woman. But getting back above water, around 2, I do think is feasible by greatly reducing inequality, and making life much more affordable. Say, it becomes possible for every family to live on just 1 wage for an extended period of time (doesn’t have to be the father, could be the mother too), or both parents just having part time jobs.
Fewer people with higher living standards? Hopefully.
we need robots working for retirement benefits
Philosophy tube has a great video on why this might not be as big of a problem as you think
Good stuff
And still politicians will make this about immigration (from both sides) and give zero focus to improve and benefit the general population to want and actually afford having more than one kid, if any.
May be implement long term policies to stimulate young people to have children rather and not be paralyzed with worrying where to live and how to afford children rather than import labour from abroad ?
I like the 0,1 accuracy for 75 year projections.
Would’ve been 50% without immigration and people will still cry about it
>This information comes from the population projections published by Eurostat today. The results are based on assumptions of partial convergence of EU countries’ fertility, mortality and migration patterns
Why would one expect partial convergence of fertility and migration in EU countries?
Who cares. Population of Europe was 1/4 of that in 1800.. we don’t need so many people in the age of AI and automation..
Oh no… we can barely afford to live decently and people are shocked that we aren’t fucking and making children? Wow, so shocking /s
I’ll be dead by then so who gives a fuck
Is that a problem? There is a lot of overcrowding in the EU (and in the UK). Seems to me that reducing the population isn’t a bad thing.
Of course, some of us are going to have to look after ourselves without much help as we age. 🤷
Does the article take the projected number of climate change refugees into account or is it only a birthrate/deathrate thing?
Can’t wait to still have issues with inflated home prices.
Only?
and?
Sounds ok. Lower population is better