| carbon tax adds around €3.50 a week, or the price of one takeaway coffee.
Been a while since I’ve seen a coffee that cheap
GerKoll on
I don’t hate the carbon tax, I hate that the 40% income tax starts at 44K
98Kane on
It’s not the carbon tax that annoys me. It’s the fact we’re gouged left right and centre with taxes of every variety and our highest tax band starts at fucking €44,000.
Want to save up your highly taxed money and invest? Well we’ll fucking take half of that too thanks. Want to buy a nice imported car? Let’s spin the wheel and take another couple of grand off you too.
In exchange for all that tax, you get sweet fuck all in return.
AUX4 on
I don’t know why he put a picture of a tractor there, when he doesn’t mention them at all.
Oh wait, he does, “electric tractors”. Which aren’t available, and still in concept mode.
Carbon tax is purely inflationary on agriculture and plant machinery.
DangerX2HighVoltage on
If by didnt squander our taxes then we could 100% halve it at least
wascallywabbit666 on
The key thing to remember here is that farmers are most vulnerable to climate change. A changing climate may make certain types of agriculture unviable (e.g. grass for mileage) and force them to change to something else.
the_sneaky_one123 on
Tax me more daddy
eo37 on
Carbon tax, income tax, Capital Gains Tax, Inheritance tax, Vehicle Registration Tax, VAT, it is endless. And that is before we get to the stealth taxes like NCTs, TV licences, sugar tax all the while the data centres and major corporations get massive tax breaks while also downsizing their workforces.
Zalgologist on
They make a decent point that carbon tax is necessary to change behaviours but the issue isn’t whether or not carbon tax works, it’s a question of fairness.
The people who feel this tax the most are the the least able to benefit from the funds it creates
Grants for retrofitting, solar, etc are great, these still cost thousands upfront and so are our of reach for a lot of people.
Bigbeast54 on
This guy’s argument is flawed. The purpose of the CT is to ensure that carbon based fuels increase in price year on year to encourage change. The same net effect happens when the wholesale price increases. The war in Iran has done more for EV adoption than CT quite frankly.
Also, while we say that CT funds retrofit, it doesn’t really. It all goes into the pot and funds general government spending.
A more politically acceptable measure is a carbon price floor. This is a dynamically adjusting tax that varies in accordance with market price and ensures that the price of carbon is on an upward trajectory in the long term without adding to price pressure during market price spikes
KerfuffleAsimov on
What’s the point in a carbon tax if public transport is shit?
For example I live in a commuter town. The first bus of the day that could take me to the train station is too late for the first train that I need to get. So I have to drive or get up 45 mins earlier to walk or cycle.
What’s the point in a carbon tax if data centers are sucking up a quarter of the energy we create each day? (And that is due to increase as more data centers are signed off)
What’s the point in a carbon tax if the majority of energy is generated by natural Gas and oil?
You can’t implement a tax to discourage fossil fuels but have next to no alternatives.
You can only conclude that more taxes are just designed to take more of our money and waste it because we pay so much tax and have nothing to show for it.
protoman888 on
I enjoyed his book ‘The Lie of the Land’
Times_Abacus on
I’m as big of a proponent of climate action as they come, however the carbon tax is fundamentally a regressive tax, in that poor people are hit harder by it because a greater proportion of their income is spent on fuel than for wealthier people. Regressive taxes exacerbate inequality, and there are plenty of better ways we could achieve the same goals with less harm.
MAVERICK910 on
Can’t see the Carbon tax continuing to increase. Climate change etc is going to take a back seat from the impending winter/recession we will have.
It will be political suicide to increase any fuel related tax this winter.
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| carbon tax adds around €3.50 a week, or the price of one takeaway coffee.
Been a while since I’ve seen a coffee that cheap
I don’t hate the carbon tax, I hate that the 40% income tax starts at 44K
It’s not the carbon tax that annoys me. It’s the fact we’re gouged left right and centre with taxes of every variety and our highest tax band starts at fucking €44,000.
Want to save up your highly taxed money and invest? Well we’ll fucking take half of that too thanks. Want to buy a nice imported car? Let’s spin the wheel and take another couple of grand off you too.
In exchange for all that tax, you get sweet fuck all in return.
I don’t know why he put a picture of a tractor there, when he doesn’t mention them at all.
Oh wait, he does, “electric tractors”. Which aren’t available, and still in concept mode.
Carbon tax is purely inflationary on agriculture and plant machinery.
If by didnt squander our taxes then we could 100% halve it at least
The key thing to remember here is that farmers are most vulnerable to climate change. A changing climate may make certain types of agriculture unviable (e.g. grass for mileage) and force them to change to something else.
Tax me more daddy
Carbon tax, income tax, Capital Gains Tax, Inheritance tax, Vehicle Registration Tax, VAT, it is endless. And that is before we get to the stealth taxes like NCTs, TV licences, sugar tax all the while the data centres and major corporations get massive tax breaks while also downsizing their workforces.
They make a decent point that carbon tax is necessary to change behaviours but the issue isn’t whether or not carbon tax works, it’s a question of fairness.
The people who feel this tax the most are the the least able to benefit from the funds it creates
Grants for retrofitting, solar, etc are great, these still cost thousands upfront and so are our of reach for a lot of people.
This guy’s argument is flawed. The purpose of the CT is to ensure that carbon based fuels increase in price year on year to encourage change. The same net effect happens when the wholesale price increases. The war in Iran has done more for EV adoption than CT quite frankly.
Also, while we say that CT funds retrofit, it doesn’t really. It all goes into the pot and funds general government spending.
A more politically acceptable measure is a carbon price floor. This is a dynamically adjusting tax that varies in accordance with market price and ensures that the price of carbon is on an upward trajectory in the long term without adding to price pressure during market price spikes
What’s the point in a carbon tax if public transport is shit?
For example I live in a commuter town. The first bus of the day that could take me to the train station is too late for the first train that I need to get. So I have to drive or get up 45 mins earlier to walk or cycle.
What’s the point in a carbon tax if data centers are sucking up a quarter of the energy we create each day? (And that is due to increase as more data centers are signed off)
What’s the point in a carbon tax if the majority of energy is generated by natural Gas and oil?
You can’t implement a tax to discourage fossil fuels but have next to no alternatives.
You can only conclude that more taxes are just designed to take more of our money and waste it because we pay so much tax and have nothing to show for it.
I enjoyed his book ‘The Lie of the Land’
I’m as big of a proponent of climate action as they come, however the carbon tax is fundamentally a regressive tax, in that poor people are hit harder by it because a greater proportion of their income is spent on fuel than for wealthier people. Regressive taxes exacerbate inequality, and there are plenty of better ways we could achieve the same goals with less harm.
Can’t see the Carbon tax continuing to increase. Climate change etc is going to take a back seat from the impending winter/recession we will have.
It will be political suicide to increase any fuel related tax this winter.