So-called ‘beds in sheds’ will now be fully rentable on the open market despite previous indications that they’d be restricted to the rent-a-room scheme, the Taoiseach has confirmed.
itinerantmarshmallow on
This way offers more protections than the rent a room doesn’t it?
Specialist-Flow3015 on
No one in favour of sheds in back gardens will ever be living in one, just profiting from it.
Accessory dwelling units are awesome and this creates infill development. Can’t imagine people being mad about it…
Pure-Ice5527 on
So bed sits were made illegal and we stopped building enough houses, so now we’re going to put people in garden sheds for the craic and see how it works? Seems hugely unfair to the humans on the receiving end of it
Dannyforsure on
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Glorified sheds. Honestly I hope fuel prices double when you read things like this.
isogaymer on
This picture is not reflective of what the vast majority of these flatlands tenements look like, that looks like a full house when the reality is much closer to a converted garden tool shed. Ireland will end up the worst of all words, endless suburban sprawl but with the large parts of it denuded of what made suburbia appealing to people in the first place i.e. a bit more space, a bit of a garden. Instead it will be wall to wall house slum, slum house.
sureyouknowurself on
So you can build a bunch of sheds in back gardens but we still have height limits in city centres.
Won’t somebody think of the office prices.
DuckyD2point0 on
People in here complaining are delusional. You are all now in the full on stage of “we need more accommodation, but not this accommodation”.
Suvigirl on
My neighbour has already started, put a massive cabin in their back garden two weeks ago and I see people coming to look at it the last couple of days.
They have no garden left and the kids trampoline is now in the front garden 🙄
SeanB2003 on
Two things are being conflated here, and I suspect that the journalist doesn’t understand the difference.
The rent a room scheme is a tax scheme. It is agnostic as to the basis on which the room is occupied – it can be under license (no rights) but could in theory be a tenancy. It almost never would be because you generally have to live in the same property to qualify for the scheme, and your presence in the property is enough to prevent a tenancy from being created by accident.
These can be “rented” on the open market, but that doesn’t imply a tenancy.
The fact is that if these are allowed to be rented under license agreements that is a disaster waiting to happen. The whole idea of permitting license arrangements is that it somewhat limits the abuse that can happen because the licensor is also occupying the same property. It is in their interest to ensure that it is maintained, that it has water, electricity, heat and is largely safe.
In the case of someone renting an out-building those same incentives don’t apply. Some people, most even, will maintain it because they are good people. Some won’t, because it is more profitable not to do so, or at least more cash flow positive in the short term.
The fundamental point of tenancy law is to try to regulate away that behaviour, which was common in the past and led to people who had no other option occupying increasingly derelict and dangerous properties.
Lanky_Giraffe on
I think this policy is fine but pretty small fish. The fact that the government is pitching this as a big win is embarrassing.
I would also be concerned that this policy may make larger scale development harder in the future. There are a lot of places where long narrow gardens could be consolidated and developed properly. But instead, this will deliver a patchwork of ultra low density housing.
jools4you on
Why did we get rid of bedsits again?
Kloppite16 on
If they are not allowed on the rent a room scheme then the financials don’t add up. €80k purchase price and 50% tax on rent would mean you’d be waiting almost 20 years to get a return on investment. Many of these buildings only have a lifecycle of 25-30 years so therefore it wouldn’t be worth the hassle of renting one out.
nerrawirl on
You just have to look on daft to see the reality of what is being offered in people’s back gardens. It’s not fancy Modulars.
mtc10y on
Are you living under the rock? That’s common practice already. There is an old estated in Walkinstown with acces to alley from back garden. Almost every single household got little studio (modular home) and renting it out.
Revolutionary_Pen190 on
So you will have to become a member of the RTB and go by the guidelines
Krauziak90 on
I rather live in modular home than shared house.
FindingPleasant4703 on
When these things aren’t built to strict regulations the noise/proximity and potential loss of privacy to neighbours is pretty rough. My neighbours put up this thing for their son. Because their garden is a little higher it towers over my garden, and looks directly into the windows at the back of my house (bungalow) over a 6ft wall. Their teen lives in it, likes thumping dance music and trying to annoy us since we complained. The parents sorted that out, but it won’t be so easy if they rent it in the future.
I’ve learned lots of folk aren’t respectful of neighbours and without added noise insulation these things can be a nightmare, so I think standards need to be strict.
The street parking is gonna be some joke as well, most estates already don’t have enough.
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So-called ‘beds in sheds’ will now be fully rentable on the open market despite previous indications that they’d be restricted to the rent-a-room scheme, the Taoiseach has confirmed.
This way offers more protections than the rent a room doesn’t it?
No one in favour of sheds in back gardens will ever be living in one, just profiting from it.
Boomers gonna boomer
~~Emergency Modular Accommodation €500~~
*Chic Boutique Accommodation €3000*
Great. All extra accommodation helps
Accessory dwelling units are awesome and this creates infill development. Can’t imagine people being mad about it…
So bed sits were made illegal and we stopped building enough houses, so now we’re going to put people in garden sheds for the craic and see how it works? Seems hugely unfair to the humans on the receiving end of it
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Glorified sheds. Honestly I hope fuel prices double when you read things like this.
This picture is not reflective of what the vast majority of these flatlands tenements look like, that looks like a full house when the reality is much closer to a converted garden tool shed. Ireland will end up the worst of all words, endless suburban sprawl but with the large parts of it denuded of what made suburbia appealing to people in the first place i.e. a bit more space, a bit of a garden. Instead it will be wall to wall house slum, slum house.
So you can build a bunch of sheds in back gardens but we still have height limits in city centres.
Won’t somebody think of the office prices.
People in here complaining are delusional. You are all now in the full on stage of “we need more accommodation, but not this accommodation”.
My neighbour has already started, put a massive cabin in their back garden two weeks ago and I see people coming to look at it the last couple of days.
They have no garden left and the kids trampoline is now in the front garden 🙄
Two things are being conflated here, and I suspect that the journalist doesn’t understand the difference.
The rent a room scheme is a tax scheme. It is agnostic as to the basis on which the room is occupied – it can be under license (no rights) but could in theory be a tenancy. It almost never would be because you generally have to live in the same property to qualify for the scheme, and your presence in the property is enough to prevent a tenancy from being created by accident.
These can be “rented” on the open market, but that doesn’t imply a tenancy.
The fact is that if these are allowed to be rented under license agreements that is a disaster waiting to happen. The whole idea of permitting license arrangements is that it somewhat limits the abuse that can happen because the licensor is also occupying the same property. It is in their interest to ensure that it is maintained, that it has water, electricity, heat and is largely safe.
In the case of someone renting an out-building those same incentives don’t apply. Some people, most even, will maintain it because they are good people. Some won’t, because it is more profitable not to do so, or at least more cash flow positive in the short term.
The fundamental point of tenancy law is to try to regulate away that behaviour, which was common in the past and led to people who had no other option occupying increasingly derelict and dangerous properties.
I think this policy is fine but pretty small fish. The fact that the government is pitching this as a big win is embarrassing.
I would also be concerned that this policy may make larger scale development harder in the future. There are a lot of places where long narrow gardens could be consolidated and developed properly. But instead, this will deliver a patchwork of ultra low density housing.
Why did we get rid of bedsits again?
If they are not allowed on the rent a room scheme then the financials don’t add up. €80k purchase price and 50% tax on rent would mean you’d be waiting almost 20 years to get a return on investment. Many of these buildings only have a lifecycle of 25-30 years so therefore it wouldn’t be worth the hassle of renting one out.
You just have to look on daft to see the reality of what is being offered in people’s back gardens. It’s not fancy Modulars.
Are you living under the rock? That’s common practice already. There is an old estated in Walkinstown with acces to alley from back garden. Almost every single household got little studio (modular home) and renting it out.
So you will have to become a member of the RTB and go by the guidelines
I rather live in modular home than shared house.
When these things aren’t built to strict regulations the noise/proximity and potential loss of privacy to neighbours is pretty rough. My neighbours put up this thing for their son. Because their garden is a little higher it towers over my garden, and looks directly into the windows at the back of my house (bungalow) over a 6ft wall. Their teen lives in it, likes thumping dance music and trying to annoy us since we complained. The parents sorted that out, but it won’t be so easy if they rent it in the future.
I’ve learned lots of folk aren’t respectful of neighbours and without added noise insulation these things can be a nightmare, so I think standards need to be strict.
The street parking is gonna be some joke as well, most estates already don’t have enough.
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