Deeply misleading headline that bares little relationship to what she actually said.
Lazy_Crab_3584 on
Suggesting the heckles could be racially motivated, she went on: “I do think there is that element of it which is: ‘How dare you, a brown woman, say a thing that we white liberals think you’re not allowed to say?’
“Well, I’m saying it.
“That’s why I said this individual can just f**k right off, because I know I belong in my own country. You’re not going to be able to do that to me.”
What was actually said…
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SP1570 on
As others pointed out: incorrect headline…
On the specific, these reforms won’t really change much (more time, more bureaucracy) unlike those vented by Reform which would truly negatively affect people who have already been part of the British society for years.
fgspq on
This is why intersectionality is important. Yes, Mahmood is a woman, yes she’s not white, but she doesn’t experience any class antagonism because she’s wealthy and is protected from a lot of shit other women or minorities face because she’s part of the establishment.
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ReligiousGhoul on
>Suggesting the heckles could be racially motivated, she went on: “I do think there is that element of it which is: ‘How dare you, a brown woman, say a thing that we white liberals think you’re not allowed to say?’
The one’s she’s calling out here will get upset but she’s completely right.
I’ve seen so many comments claiming she’s “pulling up the ladder” or letting herself be used as a token and “tokens get used up” or “trying to convince them she’s one of the ‘good ones'”.
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NiceFryingPan on
Good on her for using straightforward language that hit back at some white middle-class twats. The problem brewing for Mahmood is support and backing dwindling among the Labour back benchers over her migrant policies. She is falling in to the Patel/Braverman trap of being the politician that actually legislates against her own race and the policies that enabled her own family to migrate and settle in the country.
Braverman and Patel were/are disgraceful human beings and obnoxious to boot. Does Mahmood actuallt want to join them on the same platform as that odious pair of shysters?
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IsyABM on
She’s absolutely right.
Reddit also seems to be a place where people struggle to believe brown people can hold certain opinions.
edit: in response to the reply saying she’s lying about the hate she faces. Her family live a street away from my uncle. He calls her a ‘race traitor’.
Just because you don’t hear things, or choose not to, doesn’t mean she’s lying.
Osiryx89 on
A complete misrepresentation of what she said. She said:
>How dare you, a brown woman, say a thing that we white liberals think you’re not allowed to say
I lodged a formal complaint over LBC’s reporting of this.
KittensOnASegway on
I do always get a bit of a kick out of white leftists finding out that not every person from a minority background subscribes to their exact political outlook and the subsequent struggle to find a way of calling them an Uncle Tom without actually saying it.
crumpetsandchai on
The irony is if only the ‘white liberals’ who dislike her knew that a lot of minority groups and brown people dislike her policies.
In that sense as a British raised brown woman myself, as much as I disagree with some of her policies, I agree with Shabana in that they can ‘f*** right off’.
Old_Course9344 on
As soon as she adopted Keir Starmer’s awful taste in glasses, she became exposed.
Everyone who works in any field connected to Immigration knows Pakistani migration to the UK is a huge fraud magnet but none of her policies include Pakistan unless I am mistaken
She singles out other minority countries instead whose communities don’t make the headlines or have not changed the landscape.
Given her ethnic background, she is clearly influenced by her background or proximity to her ethnic community. I don’t believe the correct vetting process would have been applied because there are so many HR red markers here that make her too much of a target to manipulate or be coerced herself.
ash_ninetyone on
She has a point. The headline is disingenuous and misrepresentative of what she said.
Starmer has annoyed me. But I also say this as a white liberally-kinda minded person who is left-leaning and voted Labour: I don’t get the impressions she’s pulling up the ladder, but rather trying to fix an intentionally broken system.
I’m in favour of this country helping asylum seekers where we can. She’s not trying to stop everyone arriving here. Being a destination of desire for someone wanting a better life is not a bad thing. But you also can’t have an entirely open door policy without knowing who’s walking through it.
Proper processing, etc. Not putting them in hotels or houses without any sort of check or security whatsoever. Those are not bad things to have. Automatically deporting any migrant who is convicted of a violent/sexual crime, or those who are recidivists. I think more people would agree more than a fair amount of liberals and other leftists would think. It’s not lacking compassion, but it’s more putting consequence on abuse of the hospitality of charity.
That’s more inline of what Shabana Mahmood is trying to do I think. It’s far more reasonable than whatever Reform or Restore or whoever are trying to do. It fixes a system that is causing conflict.
PursuitOfMemieness on
The only description of what was said by the hecklers was:
‘The heckler said he wanted to “personally thank you for out-Reforming Reform” while two other members of the crowd chanted “refugees welcome”.’
And this is enough to justify an accusation of racism? I’m sorry, what? Any labour minister pushing significantly stricter immigration policy is inevitably going to face backlash from the left, and there’s absolutely no evidence that her race came into it.
What’s amazing is seeing this sub leaping to backup an unfounded accusation of racism, presumably because it was made against the left. If you accuse people who want to vote for Reform, a party that has had many members exposed (or expose themselves) as openly racist, and who’s leader was literally a Nazi in his youth, you constantly get told “You can’t just dismiss people’s legitimate concerns as racism”.
But a couple of left wing activists make a totally non-racial criticism of labour policy, and they’re absolutely 100% racist because the politician in charge of that policy happens to not be white.
Laughable.
Brocolli123 on
These people are literally sleeper agents for reform. Complain at any mild reform to our unsustainable asylum system which a huge proportion of the population wants dealt with. If nothing gets done about it we will have Reform (or even Restore Britain), and they will be a hell of a lot worse than labour
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Deeply misleading headline that bares little relationship to what she actually said.
Suggesting the heckles could be racially motivated, she went on: “I do think there is that element of it which is: ‘How dare you, a brown woman, say a thing that we white liberals think you’re not allowed to say?’
“Well, I’m saying it.
“That’s why I said this individual can just f**k right off, because I know I belong in my own country. You’re not going to be able to do that to me.”
What was actually said…
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As others pointed out: incorrect headline…
On the specific, these reforms won’t really change much (more time, more bureaucracy) unlike those vented by Reform which would truly negatively affect people who have already been part of the British society for years.
This is why intersectionality is important. Yes, Mahmood is a woman, yes she’s not white, but she doesn’t experience any class antagonism because she’s wealthy and is protected from a lot of shit other women or minorities face because she’s part of the establishment.
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>Suggesting the heckles could be racially motivated, she went on: “I do think there is that element of it which is: ‘How dare you, a brown woman, say a thing that we white liberals think you’re not allowed to say?’
The one’s she’s calling out here will get upset but she’s completely right.
I’ve seen so many comments claiming she’s “pulling up the ladder” or letting herself be used as a token and “tokens get used up” or “trying to convince them she’s one of the ‘good ones'”.
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Good on her for using straightforward language that hit back at some white middle-class twats. The problem brewing for Mahmood is support and backing dwindling among the Labour back benchers over her migrant policies. She is falling in to the Patel/Braverman trap of being the politician that actually legislates against her own race and the policies that enabled her own family to migrate and settle in the country.
Braverman and Patel were/are disgraceful human beings and obnoxious to boot. Does Mahmood actuallt want to join them on the same platform as that odious pair of shysters?
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She’s absolutely right.
Reddit also seems to be a place where people struggle to believe brown people can hold certain opinions.
edit: in response to the reply saying she’s lying about the hate she faces. Her family live a street away from my uncle. He calls her a ‘race traitor’.
Just because you don’t hear things, or choose not to, doesn’t mean she’s lying.
A complete misrepresentation of what she said. She said:
>How dare you, a brown woman, say a thing that we white liberals think you’re not allowed to say
I lodged a formal complaint over LBC’s reporting of this.
I do always get a bit of a kick out of white leftists finding out that not every person from a minority background subscribes to their exact political outlook and the subsequent struggle to find a way of calling them an Uncle Tom without actually saying it.
The irony is if only the ‘white liberals’ who dislike her knew that a lot of minority groups and brown people dislike her policies.
In that sense as a British raised brown woman myself, as much as I disagree with some of her policies, I agree with Shabana in that they can ‘f*** right off’.
As soon as she adopted Keir Starmer’s awful taste in glasses, she became exposed.
Everyone who works in any field connected to Immigration knows Pakistani migration to the UK is a huge fraud magnet but none of her policies include Pakistan unless I am mistaken
She singles out other minority countries instead whose communities don’t make the headlines or have not changed the landscape.
Given her ethnic background, she is clearly influenced by her background or proximity to her ethnic community. I don’t believe the correct vetting process would have been applied because there are so many HR red markers here that make her too much of a target to manipulate or be coerced herself.
She has a point. The headline is disingenuous and misrepresentative of what she said.
Starmer has annoyed me. But I also say this as a white liberally-kinda minded person who is left-leaning and voted Labour: I don’t get the impressions she’s pulling up the ladder, but rather trying to fix an intentionally broken system.
I’m in favour of this country helping asylum seekers where we can. She’s not trying to stop everyone arriving here. Being a destination of desire for someone wanting a better life is not a bad thing. But you also can’t have an entirely open door policy without knowing who’s walking through it.
Proper processing, etc. Not putting them in hotels or houses without any sort of check or security whatsoever. Those are not bad things to have. Automatically deporting any migrant who is convicted of a violent/sexual crime, or those who are recidivists. I think more people would agree more than a fair amount of liberals and other leftists would think. It’s not lacking compassion, but it’s more putting consequence on abuse of the hospitality of charity.
That’s more inline of what Shabana Mahmood is trying to do I think. It’s far more reasonable than whatever Reform or Restore or whoever are trying to do. It fixes a system that is causing conflict.
The only description of what was said by the hecklers was:
‘The heckler said he wanted to “personally thank you for out-Reforming Reform” while two other members of the crowd chanted “refugees welcome”.’
And this is enough to justify an accusation of racism? I’m sorry, what? Any labour minister pushing significantly stricter immigration policy is inevitably going to face backlash from the left, and there’s absolutely no evidence that her race came into it.
What’s amazing is seeing this sub leaping to backup an unfounded accusation of racism, presumably because it was made against the left. If you accuse people who want to vote for Reform, a party that has had many members exposed (or expose themselves) as openly racist, and who’s leader was literally a Nazi in his youth, you constantly get told “You can’t just dismiss people’s legitimate concerns as racism”.
But a couple of left wing activists make a totally non-racial criticism of labour policy, and they’re absolutely 100% racist because the politician in charge of that policy happens to not be white.
Laughable.
These people are literally sleeper agents for reform. Complain at any mild reform to our unsustainable asylum system which a huge proportion of the population wants dealt with. If nothing gets done about it we will have Reform (or even Restore Britain), and they will be a hell of a lot worse than labour