Extreme example, if an Russian bomb hit central London, Manchester, Edinburgh, or any major city, I would bet that statistic would quickly change, and it isn’t actually that bad to begin with, not many want to die in a war.
trmetroidmaniac on
Surprised it’s that low. I’m not staking my life for an economic zone of fungible human capital.
corobo on
No shit lol, it’s not their country – they just live here.
Send the landlords, they’ve got something to lose
Necessary-Product361 on
Well it depends on the war doesnt it? If the Russians somehow landed i’d bet most people would want to fight. Meanwhile, if it is another illegal war in the MiddleEast as America’s lap dog, most would rather not die for that
WorldApprehensive705 on
It’s about what’s at stake. Russians sailing to invade London? I bet the stats would change quickly.
Following the braindead yanks to another war in middle east no matter how much propaganda you push that the threat is imminent for the UK? You’d be stupid not to pass!
cunextu on
Can we be clear that this doesn’t mean that you’re not a patriot or you don’t love your country?
It’s about a young generation not being interested in dying because 5 old millionaires don’t get along , no thanks
HMWYA on
I mean, it’s not really surprising that a generation who have only seen the British Army be used to fight illegal wars at the behest of America might not wish to be used as pawns by risking their lives in future wars.
LargeLetter1 on
My Grandad was an obsessive cyclist and wanted to do the Tour de France.
He ended up on the Arctic Convoy instead.
These polls are just nonsense. No one wants to fight until they are given no choice.
Krabsandwich on
Other than WW1 it has been a pretty consistent view that very few would fight if it came to war. In the 1930’s the Oxford Union passed a motion stating under no circumstances would I fight for King and country [King and Country debate – Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_and_Country_debate).
No one is keen to go fight unless they are a bit odd but if push comes to shove people go as the alternative is usually worse.
Wgh555 on
This is because young people haven’t experienced an existential war to Britain in living memory- it’s all been pointless sandbox wars since the Falklands.
So I don’t really blame them.
ArtVice on
I’m in my 60s, born in the States and I would! So rest easy, everyone. I got this.
jammythesandwich on
Lack of nuance as usual; there’s a massive difference between being sent to somewhere halfway around the globe to fight and fighting on your own shore thats been invaded.
I honestly don’t blame though for holding the position.
What are they fighting for?
Fewer jobs, practical unattainable mortgage, cost of living crisis, little chance of retirement, heavy tax burden thats constrain entrepreneurship and the steady erosion of freedoms/ tolerance.
They’ve also grown up seeing veterans get minimal care to boot for life changing injuries.
It’s hardly inspiring
The ladder has been firmly pulled up for decades and essentially any form of unwritten covenant between the youth and government has been shat all over, shredded and stamped on.
CanaryWundaboy on
All depends on how the question is framed. Would I volunteer to go and fight in the latest American-instigated Middle East disaster? Hell no. Would I take up arms to defend this country and my family if the Russians were threatening to invade? Of course.
Warm-Marsupial8912 on
Can’t say I blame them. The country isn’t doing much for them either
Alex-rhhgfff on
There’s no way I’m dying for a load of billionaires. Our generation actually listened in school and understand the horrors of war
ZeroEffectDude on
i think i would fight against an invading alien force. that;’s about it. or werewolves.
Calelith on
Who would have guessed that young people screwed over by a country aren’t willing to fight for it.
Send the landlords, the boomers and the flagshaggers before we send more of our young to die in a war caused by bitter old men.
SquashyDisco on
Defending the UK vs Attacking another nation is the nuance here.
I don’t want to fight for Britain in Iraq, but I’d fight for Britain in the South Wales Valleys.
Horatio2200 on
Let the older house owners fight for the country. The people with all the wealth in the stock market. They own it. The rest of us are just renters and own nothing.
let_me_atom on
Why? The old have stolen their future, kicked up the financial ladder, banned what they enjoy and censored what they read, and if they complain they’re told they’re too soft and should work harder, all to prop up the gold plated pensions and cruise companies. Half is a good result if you ask me.
Illustrious_Dig_2556 on
Why would they? This country doesn’t give two shits about their interests. At best they’re a cash cow to keep the Ponzi scheme that is the Triple-Lock chugging along.
SC_W33DKILL3R on
Really why should they? The boomers are taking everything they can get from them, they would still tax their service wages to pay the boomer pension triple lock.
The reason the forces are in such a state is that boomers voted for greed and tax cuts rather than strengthening the forces and providing for the younger generations. Then to top it all off the boomers voted for Brexit to deny the young many of the same opportunities they had.
skywalkers_glove on
When they are struggling to pay rent and keep a basic standard of living they have very little skin in the game. I don’t bandage the ones who wouldn’t go to war
Matt-J-McCormack on
The social contract hasn’t been upheld. Why would we.
vaguelypurple on
“You’ll own nothing and be happy”
“Wait why don’t the peasants want to die for us billionaires!?”
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That’s not a bad percentage.
I’d wager more than half MPs wouldn’t.
Extreme example, if an Russian bomb hit central London, Manchester, Edinburgh, or any major city, I would bet that statistic would quickly change, and it isn’t actually that bad to begin with, not many want to die in a war.
Surprised it’s that low. I’m not staking my life for an economic zone of fungible human capital.
No shit lol, it’s not their country – they just live here.
Send the landlords, they’ve got something to lose
Well it depends on the war doesnt it? If the Russians somehow landed i’d bet most people would want to fight. Meanwhile, if it is another illegal war in the MiddleEast as America’s lap dog, most would rather not die for that
It’s about what’s at stake. Russians sailing to invade London? I bet the stats would change quickly.
Following the braindead yanks to another war in middle east no matter how much propaganda you push that the threat is imminent for the UK? You’d be stupid not to pass!
Can we be clear that this doesn’t mean that you’re not a patriot or you don’t love your country?
It’s about a young generation not being interested in dying because 5 old millionaires don’t get along , no thanks
I mean, it’s not really surprising that a generation who have only seen the British Army be used to fight illegal wars at the behest of America might not wish to be used as pawns by risking their lives in future wars.
My Grandad was an obsessive cyclist and wanted to do the Tour de France.
He ended up on the Arctic Convoy instead.
These polls are just nonsense. No one wants to fight until they are given no choice.
Other than WW1 it has been a pretty consistent view that very few would fight if it came to war. In the 1930’s the Oxford Union passed a motion stating under no circumstances would I fight for King and country [King and Country debate – Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_and_Country_debate).
No one is keen to go fight unless they are a bit odd but if push comes to shove people go as the alternative is usually worse.
This is because young people haven’t experienced an existential war to Britain in living memory- it’s all been pointless sandbox wars since the Falklands.
So I don’t really blame them.
I’m in my 60s, born in the States and I would! So rest easy, everyone. I got this.
Lack of nuance as usual; there’s a massive difference between being sent to somewhere halfway around the globe to fight and fighting on your own shore thats been invaded.
I honestly don’t blame though for holding the position.
What are they fighting for?
Fewer jobs, practical unattainable mortgage, cost of living crisis, little chance of retirement, heavy tax burden thats constrain entrepreneurship and the steady erosion of freedoms/ tolerance.
They’ve also grown up seeing veterans get minimal care to boot for life changing injuries.
It’s hardly inspiring
The ladder has been firmly pulled up for decades and essentially any form of unwritten covenant between the youth and government has been shat all over, shredded and stamped on.
All depends on how the question is framed. Would I volunteer to go and fight in the latest American-instigated Middle East disaster? Hell no. Would I take up arms to defend this country and my family if the Russians were threatening to invade? Of course.
Can’t say I blame them. The country isn’t doing much for them either
There’s no way I’m dying for a load of billionaires. Our generation actually listened in school and understand the horrors of war
i think i would fight against an invading alien force. that;’s about it. or werewolves.
Who would have guessed that young people screwed over by a country aren’t willing to fight for it.
Send the landlords, the boomers and the flagshaggers before we send more of our young to die in a war caused by bitter old men.
Defending the UK vs Attacking another nation is the nuance here.
I don’t want to fight for Britain in Iraq, but I’d fight for Britain in the South Wales Valleys.
Let the older house owners fight for the country. The people with all the wealth in the stock market. They own it. The rest of us are just renters and own nothing.
Why? The old have stolen their future, kicked up the financial ladder, banned what they enjoy and censored what they read, and if they complain they’re told they’re too soft and should work harder, all to prop up the gold plated pensions and cruise companies. Half is a good result if you ask me.
Why would they? This country doesn’t give two shits about their interests. At best they’re a cash cow to keep the Ponzi scheme that is the Triple-Lock chugging along.
Really why should they? The boomers are taking everything they can get from them, they would still tax their service wages to pay the boomer pension triple lock.
The reason the forces are in such a state is that boomers voted for greed and tax cuts rather than strengthening the forces and providing for the younger generations. Then to top it all off the boomers voted for Brexit to deny the young many of the same opportunities they had.
When they are struggling to pay rent and keep a basic standard of living they have very little skin in the game. I don’t bandage the ones who wouldn’t go to war
The social contract hasn’t been upheld. Why would we.
“You’ll own nothing and be happy”
“Wait why don’t the peasants want to die for us billionaires!?”