Il partito laburista si trova ad affrontare le catastrofiche elezioni locali di maggio ed è destinato a perdere 1.850 seggi, secondo le previsioni degli esperti
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Is anyone else in the position of having no positive feelings towards Keir Starmer in particular, but still thinking that it’s absolute bullshit how people are reacting to his tenure and that almost every opposing party would be much worse to have in government?
I’ve never known local elections not be a disaster for the government.
Course man they are still trying to be too many things to too many people, how can you possibly reconcile politically the patriotic, anti immigration and often rural working class white vote with the “Muslim vote” and the urban progressives.
That is exactly why they are losing voters like a sieve to both Greens and Reform, both extremes appeal socially to fundamentally incompatible groups, you can’t just sit in the middle, ultimately pleasing nobody and hope they don’t notice.
How many seats are having elections? 1850 sounds like a lot (and it is) but context is nice to have.
And also who are they expected to lose them too? If its mostly Lib Dems or Greens then thats a win in my mind, if its mostly Reform then that a huge lose.
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Its out of 2,557. Ouch.
Greens gain 500
Lib Dems gain 150
Tories lose 600
Reform gain 1500
Life long Labour voter and the Starmer crew were the needle that broke the camel’s back. If I wanted Reform lite or Tory 2:0 I would have voted for them, Starmer has done so much to alienate core Labour voters for multiple reasons, sad af
Part of me thinks this might be good if it shows people how utterly fucking disastrous Reform will be at governing local councils, that there’s no way they can govern a full country.
It’s wild watching people act like Starmer’s Labour is the exact same disaster as the Tories, when the reality is that the opposition is a dumpster fire and the media can’t stop hammering the “both sides” narrative. Yeah, he’s not exciting, but I’d take boring over whatever the alternative is right now.
the day after, having lost 1,849, the various labour shills will be screaming they did far better than expected
There’s plenty not to like about Keir’s government. But these are local elections, and anyone elected will be expected to work on local issues. People shouldn’t be treating it like a referendum.
Locally, I’m in an area that has been solidly tory for centuries, but is currently a tosser between tory and refuk. No other parties stand a chance. Despite my left-leaning politics, I would actually vote tory to prevent refuk getting in. That is both an artefact of the constituency boundary divisions and a flaw in the first-past-the-post voting system.
Edit: Just to clarify, I dislike the tories. I dislike refuk too. But for all their flaws, tory councillors can at least show up to work and run a council somewhat competently, albeit with varying levels of corruption. Something like 10% of elected refuk councillors have quit since they were elected, which is a crazy high number to quit before their elected term is up. That’s not even addressing the chronic absenteeism among elected refuk councillors. Whether you agree or disagree with their politics, the most basic function of an elected representative is to show up to debates and vote.
In a general election, I would not vote for them, because even “wasted” votes are still counted for the purpose of distributing parliamentary funding — the so-called “short money”. (This is how the LibDems have been able to consistently have a presence above their apparent number of MPs.)
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Through no help of the narrative set by the media obviously.
i look at all available alternatives and i will probably be voting labour
What’s insane is I know so many who voted for Boris and never talked much shit about him even after partgate and clear covid scandals surrounding that party.
Same people can not stop moaning about how bad Starmer is.
Boring!
This happens every council election
– Tories gain thousands of seats from Labour
– Labour gain thousands of seats from the Tories etc.
No one knows what their council does, what council they’re part of or who the councillor is.
It’s a stupid system and gaining and losing seats is as inevitable as the tide. Labour will have them all back in 5 years.
I’m voting labour because they are the best of a bad bunch. Conservatives have fucked us for years and reform is full of bigots and grifters. Greens are little too populist for my taste and Lib Dem’s feels like a wasted vote. Starmers record is unremarkable but it’s not a catastrophe like truss Johnson etc
Not a surprise, I voted for them because they promised to end the “feudal leasehold system” as in their program, not patches, but an end to it. Still waiting.
Starmer is a spectacular authoritarian. He’s restricted freedom in every way he can. Silenced protest, banned porn that harms no one, brought in age checks, banned cigarettes, continues to ban cannabis despite a reality of it being widely used and normal.
I simply cannot vote for a party that do these things. The tories are just as bad of course but I will not vote for the Labour Party that thinks it can tell me what to do this much.
Starmer feels like the Labour version of John Major. Probably told I am wrong but that is my gut feeling
How are people stupid enough to vote reform. Blows my mind.
I’m all for a protest vote against Labour to nudge them in the right direction, I just don’t trust them to take the right lessons from defeat.
It’s because the Labour Party didn’t wave a magic wand and magically fix 14 years of conservative fuckery overnight.
14 years of ‘maybe we’ll give them one more chance. This time they probably won’t fuck us over, maybe they’ll fund the NHS this time’, and people expected the Labour Party to swoop in, sprinkle fairy dust everywhere, et voila! Fixed country, fully funded NHS, and handjobs for everyone.
But, they slowly start fixing stuff and the populace goes ‘Not fast enough!’ and look elsewhere. And the media doesn’t help. BBC interviewing the conservatives was all ‘Oh dear, you’ve accidentally made a bunch of your friends lords, that wasn’t very good was it? Never mind what’s your favourite dinosaur?’ and interviewing Labour they’re ‘Why haven’t you identified Jack the Ripper? Why haven’t you reversed climate change!? Why are you a cunt?’. And don’t get me started on their interview style for any reform cunt ‘So, what colour will you paint no. 10 when you get in?’.
Labour can’t win.
Now, do I think they’ve done a good job? No. It should have been a literal slam dunk and they managed to squander it, but I think they’re doing a fucking better job than the cons and far better job than reform will do when they win…because they will, because this country just loves themselves a bit of misery.
Yeah, their promise of “slow decline under us followed by rapid decline when we hand back to the Tories” isn’t resonating any more. We need radical change. If Labour won’t do it, then maybe we do need Reform and the Greens to break the system so that we have no choice but to rebuild from scratch.
Why are people using local elections to make a point about government? I want to know that my council tax is being spent on things that concern me, and that my interests locally are met. It’s got nothing to do with what I think on national issues
Well they won a free election and proceeded to piss off almost every voter group. Attempted to cut pension fuel allowance, talk of benefit cuts, increase in business taxes, increase in personal taxes and cost of living (tax free allowance freeze, council tax, water rate increase exc) and are forcing through digital ID and online safety regardless of the pushback. I can’t think of any demographic that doesn’t have a reason to be annoyed….
Im glad to see this happening, labour isn’t labour anymore and I’m tired of people pretending it is, I tired of this false narrative that labour is bringing the nhs waiting list down or labour is helping the job market or peoe get back into work, they aren’t, if you’ve engaged with any of these services they’re getting worse, especially when it comes to mental health. It has taken years for me to get assessed and diagnosed with autism adhd and cptsd, I have to wait 18 months or more for a Endoscopy for suspected asophagitis. I spoke to a psychiatrist for the first time just weeks ago and while they are willing to support me whilst we wait for a decision on psychological support they informed me that the waiting list doesn’t exist anymore they’re too stretched and my referral will likely be declined again. I’m sick, and sick of it and the hate that people in my position receive because of this government and media and seemingly a lot of uninformed or unaffected people have.
Starmer’s biggest problem is that he can’t see the optics of his decisions. He’s so obsessed with process that he doesn’t account for the human factor.
Look at the Grooming Gang enquiry. He resisted a national enquiry. How did he think that would make Labour look? If he had simply agreed to one in the first instance then it would have shown strong leadership.
Going for the old folk with the Winter Fuel allowance. Out of all the people he could hammer he chose the pensioners. Why?
He just isn’t a very good leader. I believe he’s very easily led and looks uncomfortable when dealing with other members of the human race.
Still, he’s a cat lover so he’s not all bad.
Here’s some Labour successes:
* Hereditary peers in the house of lords, very unpopular with the public. Abolished.
* Remember those “non-doms” that were a big deal under Blair and subsequent governments? The rich foreigners who live here but pay no tax because they declare themselves as foreign residents and their income as foreign income? Abolished by Labour.
* Incorporated “Great British Energy” – a publicly-owned energy provider specialising in clean energy production and delivery. Not due to start delivering energy yet, but implementation in progress.
* Closed the loophole that allowed private schools to avoid paying tax.
* Introduced the Water Special Measures Act, allowing water company executives to be held criminally liable for obstructing investigations into water pollution incidents.
* Introduced a lot of new rights for tenants. Banned no-fault evictions. Landlords must advertise the real rental price and may not accept bidding wars. Rents can only be increased in line with market rates.
* Huge improvements to worker’s rights: banned zero-hours contracts; banned fire-and-rehire; unfair dismissal protection from 6 months instead of 2 years; maternity and paternity leave available from day 1; sick pay available to low-paid workers, removing the earnings threshold; repealed the tories’ strike-busting act.
* Drastic reduction in immigration (https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-lowers-population-growth-estimate-immigration-slows-2026-04-28/)
These are just the ones that can be found with a quick google. I think there are a lot more wins with regards to renewable energy, for example.
It’s hard not to conclude that Labour are actually doing a cracking job.
Contemporary politics is akin to calling the fire brigade to extinguish your house fire that was caused by your disgruntled ex-gardener.
Then once they arrive proceed to blame them for the fact your house is on fire, bayed on by your ex-gardener / apprentice arsonist.
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Anyone not voting Labour or Green, maybe Libs, needs to have their heads and internal bias examined. Tories and Reform are the worst of the worst, the literal dregs of society. If you vote for them, it’s because you are selfish. You want things to improve solely for you, and not for the entire well-being of the country. You would see the nation fail in exchange for temporary improvements to your lifestyle. Because if you actually understood Tory and Reform policy, unless you are wealthy, it will NOT benefit you long term.
The Tory/reform bots are winning on social media for sure. Thankfully at least bots cannot vote
New idea – let’s screw over the experts by voting for the sensible party.
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This is what happens when you get all of your information from social media and other echo chambers. I’m not a Starmer fan, however, his government has done some great work that needs to be highlighted more.
Historically I’ve voted Labour but this May I’m going to have to vote for Plaid Cymru to try and stave off Reform.
If I could vote for who I want it would have been Labour.
But I was assured accomodating the right would make them more popular?
Weird that
Sir Kier Starmer KC was never meant to do anything but be a placeholder until the handover to the far right.
He’s a shill, Mr establishment, don’t rock the boat, safe pair of hands.
When PMs leave office they get paid absurdly large amounts of money for making speeches forever afterwards.
It’s not because they have anything to say.
The money is for services rendered whilst In office.
Laundered, legal, plausible deniability built in.
Well, I actually like Kier. But the amount of negative news he’s gotten is BS. I think if we excluded foreign money from both our politics and news, we’d be in a much better world.
I just don’t really see any viable alternatives besides maybe Ed Davey’s Liberal Democrats.
Kemi Badenoch is a lunatic who can’t decide whether she wants us to join an illegal war from one week to the next. The Tories had 14 years and all they did was ruin the country.
Corbyn’s lot are dead in Scotland, and seem to be going through a civil war despite having been around for 10 minutes.
Polanski’s Greens have a manifesto I’m mostly in support of, but I just can’t get behind cutting back on defence and removal of our nuclear deterrent in such volatile times. It’s simply a dealbreaker.
Rupert Lowe – absolutely not
Nigel Farage – I’d rather eat my own fingers and toes, shit them out and eat them again, all while listening to the bass boosted version of Montego Bay by Amazulu.
The pickings are incredibly slim, even by the usual standards of British politics.
The media narrative is entirely controlled by the far right who would have you believe that he’s “the most unpopular Prime Minister in history” while Johnson and Truss exist and Thatcher is looking up from somewhere warm.
But that’s entirely down to him and Labour letting it get like that.
So the result is the terminally stupid will head out to vote thinking that the Tories or Reform are a better option.
I like how labour Birmingham council have sorted out the bin strikes with 1 week to go, yet its took ages and ages to resolve, do they think everyone will forget what’s gone on because of 1 swift move?
So exasperated with this shit.
If not labour, then who? Greens? Reform? or back to Tories who tanked pretty much every paradigm a goverment possibly could?
Badenoch???
I don’t like Starmer either, however he is unfortunately the best of all the poor choices.
People should take note so many labour politicians and the mayor of London condemned attacks on the Muslim community and the black community by police officers yet only starmer has come out on Golders green attack 🤔
I thought the mayor was supposed to care about all his citizens of London???
This is the Government that means I can’t see Imgur, who want to block my access to the Internet even further unless I jump through their hoops, thats letting my local council raise taxes again while providing less.
Sure tge Torries would have been just as bad, but don’t expect me to eat crap, cause the other option back then was crap.
I mean..they decided to let starmer off the hook with the mandelson debacle…that’s really not helped matter for them
He’s not even that bad, and we’re gonna get two populists parties which will do fuck all but ruin the average persons lives.
do i vote for greens because i want to, or do i vote for labour again because the risk of having reform or the tories in power again is too great?
Strange how moving far to the right when the public wanted you to move to the left can backfire.