Poles interested in getting money from the EU but not contributing back isn’t news though
MichalDobak on
I’m strongly pro-EU and accept that adopting the euro is ultimately inevitable. However, there are currently very little benefits for Poland. The złoty remains relatively strong, and retaining control over monetary policy is too valuable to give up lightly. Adopting the euro would likely have a negative economic impact in the short term, which makes it politically risky, potentially even suicidal, for any government.
whyowhyowhy9 on
Funny how I bet poles get a lot less hate over not wanting the Euro than brits got even when we were part of the EU
Frequent-Chain-6082 on
Because the broad population is brainless. Like everyone who will now downvote with whatever bizzarre argument. If anyone thought for a second “Texas without USD, now what?”, then they’d realise how pathetically provincial, silly and self harming is for Poland (and other EU countries) to refuse the Euro.
Any-Original-6113 on
The Poles want the EU to stay out of their business but keep sending them money.
So far, that tactic is working
Ar_Sakalthor on
*Me, waiting for the Polish nationalist brigading* : “Has it started yet?”
rohnaddict on
Poles are smart in this regard. One of the stupidest things Finland did was join the Euro. Sweden was much smarter than us.
InquisitorOverhauls on
Do not make mistake Croatia did.
today05 on
yeah, anti eu propaganda was very similar by pis and fidesz… right wing populist always bend head over heels to paint the eu as the big evil, except when we look at the numbers it always comes out that we both were net beneficiaries of the eu, and our own currency is holding us back. there is practically one regional exemption: the czech. the czech somehow kept their currency quite closely tied to euro, they managed not to lose much. meanwhile poland and hungary (and romania, and everyone else) was worse off by keeping their currency. there is no need for a huge conspiracy: we are small, period. we all would like to think ourselves as big, but in fact we arent that strong in the world market.
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CucumberWisdom on
How about in the other EUR-skeptic nations like Sweden?
Quasarrion on
In Hungary we say we dont want the euro because we are not stable enough, in Poland they say they dont want it because they are too strong and stable for it. All while ignoring the common european goal to have a common currency which was agreed by every state, but seems like some feel more important than others. Good way to be divided.
Melodic_Register2026 on
Most Poles also think we can replace the national healthcare with charities while some 1/5 believe they don’t actually pay any taxes.
The economic literacy in this country is absolutely abysmal, I genuinely wouldn’t count on an average Pole to understand the macroeconomic pros and cons of adopting the euro.
Must_Dragonfruit on
Any country that adopts the euro is looking at a giant increase in costs as people reprice.
Positronitis on
It’s not difficult to understand the opposition. People are risk-averse. The Polish economy is growing well at the moment. People don’t want to jeopardize that.
Once economic growth in Poland is slowing (which it inevitably will at one moment), I think opinions will slowly shift.
bombuszek on
I would support euro if we adopted common federal tax system and common debt like the US. If not, euro is useless for us because it would enforce this shitty austerity policy.
Bismalz on
Poland is one of the countries that gained the absolute most, its bizarre
Gamebyter on
Look at the President…..
lotny on
Whoever introduces the € will lose the next election(s).
AtlanticPortal on
That’s not an option for Poland. They have at some point.
Yes I know you can bend numbers and papers to keep going on for a lot but only two countries had the opt out right. One fucked itself off and the only remained is Denmark which has their crown pegged to the Euro so it’s basically using the Euro in everything but the name.
vanoitran on
I don’t blame them. In 2017 I went to Poland and while, at the time, the Greek economy was stronger than the Polish economy in a per capita basis, I could tell that the average Pole could afford more than the average Greek.
I’m not economically savvy enough to know why, but it really seems that Euro adoption is good for the country, bad for the citizen. I’ve seen it in Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, and in Greece.
Dear_Wrongdoer7271 on
Absolutely, unequivocally, irrevocably, not.
Arch8Android on
Why is the heat about adopting EURO always on Poland and not Sweden or Denmark who have been in the EU longer?
armatka on
A national currency is a matter of national sovereignty; losing one’s own currency poses a threat to any country. In Poland, we’ve already had the mark, the rouble and the Austrian gulden. No, thank you – we prefer the Polish zloty.
Phantasmalicious on
They should check mortgage rates in euribor countries
BabyPuzzleheaded4437 on
Our economy is still playing catch-up with Western economies, so until it catches up enough to maintain stable, low inflation and a sustainable level of debt, even if our politicians wanted to change this, they cannot do so because of EU law, which requires low inflation and low debt levels (and the latter is constantly rising, partly due to current military spending), so there are several reasons why this will not happen for the time being, but the two – or rather three – main ones are: a surge in prices and a halt to economic growth at the current level will cause the country to cease developing and remain at its current level, and current EU law, which blocks indebted economies from joining the eurozone. (and, as I wrote, this is blocked by the rearmament of the Polish army)
Freemenace on
Wow, so many ignorant people here, speaking so surely about a topic they don’t even understand, not even being a Pole. Just “vibes” with you, eh?
Beginning_Emu_6507 on
It’s not hard to understand when no one can explain the point of giving up the ability to adjust interest rates. Most arguments in favor are just rhetorical flourishes.
dziki_z_lasu on
The truth is Poland and Czechia didn’t joined the EuroZone, because Slovakia did and it didn’t end well there. Prices skyrocketed and economy slowed down. Greek crisis also made an impression that Euro is beneficial for rich countries, not poor ones.
Wojtek1250XD on
We’re not ready yet. And with the right-wing dumbasses shutting everything down left and right only to embezzle money I doubt we will be this decade.
Cybersc0ut on
Yes
GradientExtendedTheo on
It’s funny how everyone keeps complaining about how expensive Croatia got, but nobody wants to admit that it is due to the Euro adoption. I bet if Croats had a chance to vote on it, they would go back to the Kuna.
And it’s probably not much different with Bulgaria.
gkn_112 on
somehow i thought they had it already
Archaemenes on
Is the entire Polish population out in full force to support this decision or something?
Flynn317 on
It is a hm very short term thought. One thing is for sure, EU is not going to hide not going to vanish. Right now one deal after the other is going to be made with the EU and none of them are purely air holes so to say. One possible future is clear to see where everyone can challange all to hear their say and it will never be nationalism, friend 😸
EliteFourCarlos on
Spanish here. A kid when euro was adopted.
A jelly/Candy was 5 pesetas. It became 5 cents (8 pesetas).
What was 100 pesetas became 1€ (166 pesetas)
Suddenly everything got a 66% inflation excepto salaries.
Lump1189 on
Doubt it
Adventurous_Touch342 on
The thing about Euro is that when a country is in a tight spot it can adjust its monetary policy – if you can’t do that you end up getting shafted like Greece.
Unless Poland becomes at least 85-ish % as strong per capita as Germany joining Euro zone carries many risks with very little benefits.
foldinger on
Surprised Poland not already Euro
Lovevas on
It’s wild to travel to Europe, every time I have to deal with different currencies and languages. My last trip involved 3 currencies and 4 languages. It’s tough.
Effective_Push3271 on
Same was in Bulgaria but they adopted it anyway 😢😡🤬
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Well by contract they are obligated to do so.
This makes me sad
Poles interested in getting money from the EU but not contributing back isn’t news though
I’m strongly pro-EU and accept that adopting the euro is ultimately inevitable. However, there are currently very little benefits for Poland. The złoty remains relatively strong, and retaining control over monetary policy is too valuable to give up lightly. Adopting the euro would likely have a negative economic impact in the short term, which makes it politically risky, potentially even suicidal, for any government.
Funny how I bet poles get a lot less hate over not wanting the Euro than brits got even when we were part of the EU
Because the broad population is brainless. Like everyone who will now downvote with whatever bizzarre argument. If anyone thought for a second “Texas without USD, now what?”, then they’d realise how pathetically provincial, silly and self harming is for Poland (and other EU countries) to refuse the Euro.
The Poles want the EU to stay out of their business but keep sending them money.
So far, that tactic is working
*Me, waiting for the Polish nationalist brigading* : “Has it started yet?”
Poles are smart in this regard. One of the stupidest things Finland did was join the Euro. Sweden was much smarter than us.
Do not make mistake Croatia did.
yeah, anti eu propaganda was very similar by pis and fidesz… right wing populist always bend head over heels to paint the eu as the big evil, except when we look at the numbers it always comes out that we both were net beneficiaries of the eu, and our own currency is holding us back. there is practically one regional exemption: the czech. the czech somehow kept their currency quite closely tied to euro, they managed not to lose much. meanwhile poland and hungary (and romania, and everyone else) was worse off by keeping their currency. there is no need for a huge conspiracy: we are small, period. we all would like to think ourselves as big, but in fact we arent that strong in the world market.
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How about in the other EUR-skeptic nations like Sweden?
In Hungary we say we dont want the euro because we are not stable enough, in Poland they say they dont want it because they are too strong and stable for it. All while ignoring the common european goal to have a common currency which was agreed by every state, but seems like some feel more important than others. Good way to be divided.
Most Poles also think we can replace the national healthcare with charities while some 1/5 believe they don’t actually pay any taxes.
The economic literacy in this country is absolutely abysmal, I genuinely wouldn’t count on an average Pole to understand the macroeconomic pros and cons of adopting the euro.
Any country that adopts the euro is looking at a giant increase in costs as people reprice.
It’s not difficult to understand the opposition. People are risk-averse. The Polish economy is growing well at the moment. People don’t want to jeopardize that.
Once economic growth in Poland is slowing (which it inevitably will at one moment), I think opinions will slowly shift.
I would support euro if we adopted common federal tax system and common debt like the US. If not, euro is useless for us because it would enforce this shitty austerity policy.
Poland is one of the countries that gained the absolute most, its bizarre
Look at the President…..
Whoever introduces the € will lose the next election(s).
That’s not an option for Poland. They have at some point.
Yes I know you can bend numbers and papers to keep going on for a lot but only two countries had the opt out right. One fucked itself off and the only remained is Denmark which has their crown pegged to the Euro so it’s basically using the Euro in everything but the name.
I don’t blame them. In 2017 I went to Poland and while, at the time, the Greek economy was stronger than the Polish economy in a per capita basis, I could tell that the average Pole could afford more than the average Greek.
I’m not economically savvy enough to know why, but it really seems that Euro adoption is good for the country, bad for the citizen. I’ve seen it in Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, and in Greece.
Absolutely, unequivocally, irrevocably, not.
Why is the heat about adopting EURO always on Poland and not Sweden or Denmark who have been in the EU longer?
A national currency is a matter of national sovereignty; losing one’s own currency poses a threat to any country. In Poland, we’ve already had the mark, the rouble and the Austrian gulden. No, thank you – we prefer the Polish zloty.
They should check mortgage rates in euribor countries
Our economy is still playing catch-up with Western economies, so until it catches up enough to maintain stable, low inflation and a sustainable level of debt, even if our politicians wanted to change this, they cannot do so because of EU law, which requires low inflation and low debt levels (and the latter is constantly rising, partly due to current military spending), so there are several reasons why this will not happen for the time being, but the two – or rather three – main ones are: a surge in prices and a halt to economic growth at the current level will cause the country to cease developing and remain at its current level, and current EU law, which blocks indebted economies from joining the eurozone. (and, as I wrote, this is blocked by the rearmament of the Polish army)
Wow, so many ignorant people here, speaking so surely about a topic they don’t even understand, not even being a Pole. Just “vibes” with you, eh?
It’s not hard to understand when no one can explain the point of giving up the ability to adjust interest rates. Most arguments in favor are just rhetorical flourishes.
The truth is Poland and Czechia didn’t joined the EuroZone, because Slovakia did and it didn’t end well there. Prices skyrocketed and economy slowed down. Greek crisis also made an impression that Euro is beneficial for rich countries, not poor ones.
We’re not ready yet. And with the right-wing dumbasses shutting everything down left and right only to embezzle money I doubt we will be this decade.
Yes
It’s funny how everyone keeps complaining about how expensive Croatia got, but nobody wants to admit that it is due to the Euro adoption. I bet if Croats had a chance to vote on it, they would go back to the Kuna.
And it’s probably not much different with Bulgaria.
somehow i thought they had it already
Is the entire Polish population out in full force to support this decision or something?
It is a hm very short term thought. One thing is for sure, EU is not going to hide not going to vanish. Right now one deal after the other is going to be made with the EU and none of them are purely air holes so to say. One possible future is clear to see where everyone can challange all to hear their say and it will never be nationalism, friend 😸
Spanish here. A kid when euro was adopted.
A jelly/Candy was 5 pesetas. It became 5 cents (8 pesetas).
What was 100 pesetas became 1€ (166 pesetas)
Suddenly everything got a 66% inflation excepto salaries.
Doubt it
The thing about Euro is that when a country is in a tight spot it can adjust its monetary policy – if you can’t do that you end up getting shafted like Greece.
Unless Poland becomes at least 85-ish % as strong per capita as Germany joining Euro zone carries many risks with very little benefits.
Surprised Poland not already Euro
It’s wild to travel to Europe, every time I have to deal with different currencies and languages. My last trip involved 3 currencies and 4 languages. It’s tough.
Same was in Bulgaria but they adopted it anyway 😢😡🤬
They didn’t even allow us to hold referendum.