Let’s hope the mods won’t delete it like the last time I tried to discuss about the topic
Happy_Bread_1 on
“””for the children”””
LovelyOrangeJuice on
What’s next? A telescreen in every home, just in case?
silentspectator27 on
Hard to pull off at an EU level, seeing as how the EU is currently “at war” with Big Tech losing even more support from the industry by regulating VPN will push us back into the digital stone age.
What we are seeing here isn’t about protecting the children but greedy politicians who try to outrun established rights and regulations to get what Big Tech has: user information.
EnvironmentalLet9682 on
i hate this. we are becoming china.
Ragnor_ on
Fuck this, I’ll use VPNs even harder. Gonna get myself a vps in Mongolia or some shit, good luck prying that out of my hands.
ahora-mismo on
there will be no vpn regulation. i can just get a vps and make my own vpn in a few minutes. also, vpns are required by most of the companies to access their internal resources. rule by the stupid, for the stupid.
Bobo3076 on
They will stop at nothing until you have no privacy.
They will stop at nothing until you surrender to mass surveillance.
They will stop at nothing because they are scared of us.
Aggeloz on
So we’re literally just overlooking the whole point of VPNs
SharpPROSOLDIER on
Is that the whole text for now? Rest is keywords that lead to a variety of topics.
EduBru on
Everyone always say “uhhh that slippery slide argument is stupid, just because they want to verify age for social media doesn’t it’s turn into xyz” and now they are trying to ban vpns, the UK is arresting artists for their own art, and some EU countries want to have all online activity linked to you legal name so they can supervise literally everything you do. I really hope they don’t take away vpns, that’ll be the end of Internet freedom
BandicootSolid9531 on
haha yeees… their main concern – “protection of children”
to EU regulators – what children exactly, since we aren`t making them anymore?
Caetys on
EU doing literally everything except for holding parents accountable for leaving their kids unsupervised with tech that has access to the web.
Kiwibom on
The other day i was sort of laughing when i saw that age verification was required to use an iphone or a ps5 in the UK but honestly at this rate, this shit will also happen in the EU. Like what’s next, age verification to watch TV, drive a Car, use the fridge, …
I’m all for protecting the kids but this is going way way too far. Like man, those things should the work of the fu*** parents to restrict or not what their kids can do or watch.
hainspoint on
I swear six months ago we were all laughing at russia doing the same.
razvanciuy on
Unless the target is to stop normies from looking into VPNs, there is nothing anyone can do about it.
_hhhnnnggg_ on
Good luck regulating my Wireguard
DeadlyAquarium on
gee I wonder why people want to exit EU part 762
papabear1993 on
So, EU is trying to force VPNs, the tools we use to be anonymous from companies and government, to get, store and (lets be real) share our personal information. Basically, they will kill VPNs, because which user would pay to give away his personal info?
prevent-the-end on
🤔 this document seems more like a “problem statement” than a policy proposal?
Basically it highlights “this is an issue in focus” but provides no solutions.
The idea of banning children from using VPN’s would be quite something, as if kids were not allowed to have privacy. Which is quite the ironic statement coming from someone who is supposedly “protecting children”.
Suspicious_Place1270 on
everyone voting for this should then post a public log of every app they use and let their keystrokes be monitored at all times 24/7/365 so we, the people, can manage them just the way they want to manage us
after 1 month they’ll all reconsider being stupid
Sicherheitssteuerung on
starting to think an EU exit is maybe a good idea
rebellioninmypants on
So what did VPNs ever do to you? Every remote worker uses them, everyone who has their own server running in their house uses them to access their data, everyone who wants to browse region-locked websites uses them.
People who go to caffees and airports use them. Journalists and victims of abuse use them on daily basis.
Fehervari on
They can fuck right off
ieniet on
So tired of this shit
MotanulScotishFold on
If it does China or Russia = Bad.
If it does Europe = It’s good.
Can you stop with this hypocrisy once for all? We don’t need these dumb rules for ‘safety’. It’s straightforward surveillance that can be used anytime against citizens if one day the regime in a country becomes authoritarian.
Black mirror and 1984 Book from Orwell are a documentary.
We need to stop this once for all until it’s too late.
lorp_ on
The worst thing? There are common people who see no issue with this type of scenario (and neither with chat control or mandatory age verification), to the point they even cheer for these policies.
Some people are utterly brain dead and politicians are taking advantage of them
Tinyjar on
Once they realise how unworkable this is, countries will go further: Mandatory recording/scanning of all actions on the OS level. “We need to be able to scan all of your files 24/7 to detect criminal behaviour. THINK OF THE CHILDREN! ARE YOU A PEDO??!”
StuartWtf on
How about we go after the pedophile elites? I think that will do more to “protect the kids” than any of this Orwellian bullshit
Owl-Of-The-Night02 on
EU doing the best in can to push me into being pro small-government after being pro big-goverment for the majority of my life. For the love of god, leave us alone. You’re fighting the wrong battles EU, as always in the past years. If you want a safer Internet, how about you ask corporations to regulate their platforms better? Crazy idea, I know.
TheDeerBlower on
Can they stop pretending they care about the children or whatever the fuck and admit it’s just for massive surveillance already?
jg119972 on
Is this to “protect us” even more /s, 1984 was a warning not a guide, but it seems they want to know what we do at all times
Max_FI on
I have never heard of children using VPNs to circumvent age limits. That is a ridiculous excuse.
melpheos on
Because clearly the children are the ones using VPN to watch porn…. Come’on
GonzAnt on
“Some argue that access to VPN services should be restricted to users above a digital age of majority.”
VPN services require a payment method that intrinsically requires majority. If children are using these it is parent/guardian neglect. Don’t think arguments for this will hold.
sf-keto on
So out of touch. Most businesses use VPNs for remote workers & other processes to maintain security & other privacy.
Does the EU loathe commerce now? Have they consulted business at all here?
CrazyWriterHippo on
“We need to protect the children” say the pedophiles in charge while they strip away the freedoms and privacy of their victims.
foolsjam on
Palantir don’t lobby the UE for nothing in exchange.
tesfabpel on
>This document is prepared for, and addressed to, the Members and staff of the European Parliament as background material to assist them in their
parliamentary work. The content of the document is the sole responsibility of its author(s) and any opinions expressed herein should not be taken
to represent an official position of the Parliament.
Is this another rage bait caused by a single MEP’s stance or is the work supported by a majority of MEPs?
EDIT: the (sole) author is just part of a think tank… also, it’s a research document, not a law proposal.
prettygirlavenue on
You can pry my VPN out of my cold dead fucking hands
VanTavion on
Meh, colour me doubtful.
From the looks of it, the author claims there might (key word might) be VPN related measures as part of the child-safety criteria within the revision of the Cybersecurity Act (CyberSecurity Act 2 I assume). Small issue, in the proposed revision of January the word VPN does not appear even once, and I can’t find anything that would imply that they’re considering it during the judicial review. At most it will be brought up during the Irish Presidency of the EU given that they want online child safety to be a EU focus, but since their Minister for Media has been getting mad nobody in Brussels seems to care about that, I can’t imagine the EU commission would act independently… or care that much.
tl;dr: they’re not doing shit.
rahvan on
Can the EU stop doing fascist shit in the name of children?
42 commenti
Let’s hope the mods won’t delete it like the last time I tried to discuss about the topic
“””for the children”””
What’s next? A telescreen in every home, just in case?
Hard to pull off at an EU level, seeing as how the EU is currently “at war” with Big Tech losing even more support from the industry by regulating VPN will push us back into the digital stone age.
What we are seeing here isn’t about protecting the children but greedy politicians who try to outrun established rights and regulations to get what Big Tech has: user information.
i hate this. we are becoming china.
Fuck this, I’ll use VPNs even harder. Gonna get myself a vps in Mongolia or some shit, good luck prying that out of my hands.
there will be no vpn regulation. i can just get a vps and make my own vpn in a few minutes. also, vpns are required by most of the companies to access their internal resources. rule by the stupid, for the stupid.
They will stop at nothing until you have no privacy.
They will stop at nothing until you surrender to mass surveillance.
They will stop at nothing because they are scared of us.
So we’re literally just overlooking the whole point of VPNs
Is that the whole text for now? Rest is keywords that lead to a variety of topics.
Everyone always say “uhhh that slippery slide argument is stupid, just because they want to verify age for social media doesn’t it’s turn into xyz” and now they are trying to ban vpns, the UK is arresting artists for their own art, and some EU countries want to have all online activity linked to you legal name so they can supervise literally everything you do. I really hope they don’t take away vpns, that’ll be the end of Internet freedom
haha yeees… their main concern – “protection of children”
to EU regulators – what children exactly, since we aren`t making them anymore?
EU doing literally everything except for holding parents accountable for leaving their kids unsupervised with tech that has access to the web.
The other day i was sort of laughing when i saw that age verification was required to use an iphone or a ps5 in the UK but honestly at this rate, this shit will also happen in the EU. Like what’s next, age verification to watch TV, drive a Car, use the fridge, …
I’m all for protecting the kids but this is going way way too far. Like man, those things should the work of the fu*** parents to restrict or not what their kids can do or watch.
I swear six months ago we were all laughing at russia doing the same.
Unless the target is to stop normies from looking into VPNs, there is nothing anyone can do about it.
Good luck regulating my Wireguard
gee I wonder why people want to exit EU part 762
So, EU is trying to force VPNs, the tools we use to be anonymous from companies and government, to get, store and (lets be real) share our personal information. Basically, they will kill VPNs, because which user would pay to give away his personal info?
🤔 this document seems more like a “problem statement” than a policy proposal?
Basically it highlights “this is an issue in focus” but provides no solutions.
The idea of banning children from using VPN’s would be quite something, as if kids were not allowed to have privacy. Which is quite the ironic statement coming from someone who is supposedly “protecting children”.
everyone voting for this should then post a public log of every app they use and let their keystrokes be monitored at all times 24/7/365 so we, the people, can manage them just the way they want to manage us
after 1 month they’ll all reconsider being stupid
starting to think an EU exit is maybe a good idea
So what did VPNs ever do to you? Every remote worker uses them, everyone who has their own server running in their house uses them to access their data, everyone who wants to browse region-locked websites uses them.
People who go to caffees and airports use them. Journalists and victims of abuse use them on daily basis.
They can fuck right off
So tired of this shit
If it does China or Russia = Bad.
If it does Europe = It’s good.
Can you stop with this hypocrisy once for all? We don’t need these dumb rules for ‘safety’. It’s straightforward surveillance that can be used anytime against citizens if one day the regime in a country becomes authoritarian.
Black mirror and 1984 Book from Orwell are a documentary.
We need to stop this once for all until it’s too late.
The worst thing? There are common people who see no issue with this type of scenario (and neither with chat control or mandatory age verification), to the point they even cheer for these policies.
Some people are utterly brain dead and politicians are taking advantage of them
Once they realise how unworkable this is, countries will go further: Mandatory recording/scanning of all actions on the OS level. “We need to be able to scan all of your files 24/7 to detect criminal behaviour. THINK OF THE CHILDREN! ARE YOU A PEDO??!”
How about we go after the pedophile elites? I think that will do more to “protect the kids” than any of this Orwellian bullshit
EU doing the best in can to push me into being pro small-government after being pro big-goverment for the majority of my life. For the love of god, leave us alone. You’re fighting the wrong battles EU, as always in the past years. If you want a safer Internet, how about you ask corporations to regulate their platforms better? Crazy idea, I know.
Can they stop pretending they care about the children or whatever the fuck and admit it’s just for massive surveillance already?
Is this to “protect us” even more /s, 1984 was a warning not a guide, but it seems they want to know what we do at all times
I have never heard of children using VPNs to circumvent age limits. That is a ridiculous excuse.
Because clearly the children are the ones using VPN to watch porn…. Come’on
“Some argue that access to VPN services should be restricted to users above a digital age of majority.”
VPN services require a payment method that intrinsically requires majority. If children are using these it is parent/guardian neglect. Don’t think arguments for this will hold.
So out of touch. Most businesses use VPNs for remote workers & other processes to maintain security & other privacy.
Does the EU loathe commerce now? Have they consulted business at all here?
“We need to protect the children” say the pedophiles in charge while they strip away the freedoms and privacy of their victims.
Palantir don’t lobby the UE for nothing in exchange.
>This document is prepared for, and addressed to, the Members and staff of the European Parliament as background material to assist them in their
parliamentary work. The content of the document is the sole responsibility of its author(s) and any opinions expressed herein should not be taken
to represent an official position of the Parliament.
Is this another rage bait caused by a single MEP’s stance or is the work supported by a majority of MEPs?
EDIT: the (sole) author is just part of a think tank… also, it’s a research document, not a law proposal.
You can pry my VPN out of my cold dead fucking hands
Meh, colour me doubtful.
From the looks of it, the author claims there might (key word might) be VPN related measures as part of the child-safety criteria within the revision of the Cybersecurity Act (CyberSecurity Act 2 I assume). Small issue, in the proposed revision of January the word VPN does not appear even once, and I can’t find anything that would imply that they’re considering it during the judicial review. At most it will be brought up during the Irish Presidency of the EU given that they want online child safety to be a EU focus, but since their Minister for Media has been getting mad nobody in Brussels seems to care about that, I can’t imagine the EU commission would act independently… or care that much.
tl;dr: they’re not doing shit.
Can the EU stop doing fascist shit in the name of children?