La soluzione alla crisi immobiliare irlandese è la produzione industriale di unità di edilizia sociale simili a quelle che si stavano costruendo dietro la cortina di ferro a metà del XX secolo.
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di chiggymondo
La soluzione alla crisi immobiliare irlandese è la produzione industriale di unità di edilizia sociale simili a quelle che si stavano costruendo dietro la cortina di ferro a metà del XX secolo.
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di chiggymondo
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But better?
Make Ballymun Great Again
Calling it “social housing” might be excessive – when properly built, it’s just… Housing. Mid to late panel era housing from SU is far from being lowest grade “let’s give them at least something” – it is pretty adequate quality housing with HUGE benefits from its general organization, such as high density paired with immence greenery still retained within city, plus absolute lack of car dependency within microdistricts.
As long as Dublin will be the one city in Ireland having all the jobs and infrastructure done, no amount of buildings will help.
Also, who will build these? Will the government start central planning?
As long as theres a Lidl, a gym, a cafe and public transport nearby id be chuffed with that
I spent 3 years living in the neighborhood in the picture (Petržalka in Bratislava), none of it existed before 1976 and it was a fully functional and liveable part of the town, 10 mins from the city centre by bus. Since I moved out of there it’s been integrated to the city tram network.
Flats were nice and spacious and I rarely heard anything from the neighbours. Even still now I live in an apartment building built in the 1930s and I do hear noise from other apartments, but that’s just city living I fear.
A common complaint people have is that the big blocks are grim – the sides of a lot of them have murals painted on them, and there’s some (though admittedly not enough) public art around the place for people to enjoy. Crazy amount of trees and artificial lakes and rivers as well, so plenty of nature there as well.
As far as I’m aware Ballymun was a gigantic planning failure.
Built in conjunction with public transportation, you could build them all along Metro North or Dart West for Dublin, would require foresight beyond the length of one’s nose though so I wouldn’t hold my breath.
Just make sure it build with proper building standards and add enough facilities schools, clinics, transportation, shops, parks etc to make sure it does not solve housing crisis by creating other crises
I’d take the Swedish model. They built a million homes [(it was called the Million Programme)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Million_Programme).
The size and quality of them is great. They’re sturdy and spacious. Mostly apartments, but not as we know them in Ireland. Families can live in them. Proper centralised heating, laundry rooms, refuse stored in underground bins and collected regularly, playgrounds in the central quad etc etc.
You don’t even have to look to the former Soviet Union – social housing can be nice, you know.
Hell, there’s one *Gemeindebau* across the street from me that’s nicer than most houses in the UK or Ireland that has balconies, space, community gardens and local amenities for under triple digits a month. They’re a pain to get into as a foriegner, but for locals it’s not too hard. This could be replicated, countries just… don’t. For some reason. Give builders an incentive and some framework, any housing crisis city could be doing this.
[Shove this into Google Translate](https://www.wienerwohnen.at/etwas-mieten/wohnung-mieten/gemeindewohnungen-NEU.html) ([and weep a little](https://www.wienerwohnen.at/etwas-mieten/wohnung-mieten/gemeindewohnungen-NEU/alle-gemeindewohnungen-NEU.html))
No, the solution is multifold:
– Dramatically increased density everywhere (not spread-out car-centric estates eating into farmland), focused around public transport and converting existing (not tearing down) from 1-2 storey to 3-4-5 storeys
– Heightened (crippling) penalties for derelict / unused buildings in town centres with seizures within a couple of years
– Easy conversion of unused retail into residential (reversing the earlier trend still seen in houses that used to be shops)
– Facilitating co-operative housing
Ballymun scared the authorities, but I think misdiagnosed why ballymun failed. Not due to high rise or apartment living, but due to misincentives and other social problems. We still have them but more spread out.
Make sure amenities are close and plentyful proper management of buildings with heavy penelties for failure to manage, avoid anyone who has designed giant blocks of glass or busaras and your good,
Can we call them Martinchevkas?
Basically every country who has had loads of migration did that. You guys are just twenty years too late
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Agreed.
Singapore has one of the most successful housing programmes that’s still going strong. We don’t have to look to the depressing alternatives.
I wouldn’t mind. Before Khrushchev, the USSR’s urban housing policy was basically to not build any new permanent housing (though Stalin built a few awesome looking hotels), and convert all existing housing into bed-sits. These were the communal apartments if you’ve ever heard about that. It generally didn’t work that well, and older Russians always complained about them.
After WWII, Khrushchev and Brezhnev decided to rebuild housing by basically turning apartments into a mass-produced industrial product. People complained about these too, but generally it was seen as a step in the right direction (though neither the USSR nor the Russian federation has done a good job of maintaining them). The most important difference is that seasonal urban homelessness was definitely a thing under the communal apartment system, but it wasn’t once people could have more private space in industrial apartments.
And build some infrastructure and amenities along said high density
Jeez. The title sounds so draconian, if a system works then it should be replicated. Simple as.
If you do, do not repeat the mistakes:
– put proper isolation – you don’t want to listen to everyone in the block
– create some dedicated parking spaces – otherwise people will leave their cars everywhere
– let some space between blocks – you want some greenery
– angle them properly so you don’t get to look in another person’s apartment – for obvious reasons
– remember to upgrade the sewage/electricity etc on the streets they are built on – that many people together consume more
– add in some public transport – because the advantage of blocks is that people are closer together so you can transport them around easier.
Good luck!
I agree but trying to get the project past the political parties and planning process would be huge problem. If you tried to build them in any area there would a groups campaigning them at the local and national level. The amount of legal challenges against would be huge. No local authority would allow it and no party would endorse if it affected them.
the problem is the price too expensive, we need house for low budget
This misidentifies the problem.
The nicest, most sensible housing units in the world won’t get past a population that doesn’t want to see their existing houses drop in value.
You guys are assuming the government and the majority of Irish people actually want to solve the housing crisis. From what I’ve observed, only a minority of people in Ireland truly want it fixed.